What's The Deal With this???

[buffy500]

The registry is used for the install path, without it people doing installers would not be able to pick the correct path for the computerly challenged users out there. So its got a use.

[buffy500]

I've never had to register mine either.

If I had not overcome the problem, seems I would have been better off with an original copy from a few years ago.

Or you could just install the 1.2 patch over the top of what you have, as that version does not require a CD in to play.

Its strange that no one else has ever mentioned (to my knowledge) that they needed to register to install / not use the CD. I had only heard that the 1.2 CD required a CD in the drive to play MSTS (I don't think it needs to even be a MSTS CD, a music CD will do !)

But have you backed it up to CD?

Don't really need to, its sat in a metal CD holder, and only comes out when I need to reinstall, so thats about 5 times in 5 years.

[salopiangrowler]

Mine are somewhere safe, never had to registar, it says on the aerosoft actpack box that if you want to registar go to so,n,so's address

But i have never registared anything, reasons are saves getting junk mail.

[dkightley]

I went through the reinstall hoop a few weeks ago....

Installed from CD - no serial no needed, no need to register. But needed CD in to run.

Installed patches from MS - no CD needed.

My copy was bought in March last year - case has Scotsman on front.

[Lad491]

if I buy something I OWN it

Just a point Jaguar - that isnt true with software.
What you buy is the licence to use that software. You dont own it and cannot legally resell it, unless the licence specifically allows that.

This is the big problem we have with people selling add on's on E Bay.
They cant and are not allowed to. The licence is pretty specific in that respect. You can give it away or use it as a coaster for your coffee cup, but you cant usually sell it on.

[Jaguar777]

if I buy something I OWN it

Just a point Jaguar - that isnt true with software.
What you buy is the licence to use that software. You dont own it and cannot legally resell it, unless the licence specifically allows that.

This is the big problem we have with people selling add on's on E Bay.
They cant and are not allowed to. The licence is pretty specific in that respect. You can give it away or use it as a coaster for your coffee cup, but you cant usually sell it on.

That's a good point, and technically true

However, if I choose to sell my original copy of MSTS as "Second Hand" and Microsoft take me to court, I wouldn't put money on them winning if I were you.

This is all very complicated, unfortunately. Microsoft have the right to protect their rights, and if we were talking about none game software the License agreement is of particular importance and indeed HAS been enforfoced on numerous occasions. However, with games, the second hand maket is just as lively as the "New" market, and it is VERY doubtful that the License would be of much use to MS in a case against a consumer selling on his second hand game. Consumers have rights too, and in the UK they are heavily protected, anyone who has witnessed small claims courts in action will know this. I stand by what I say, if I buy something I own it. Indeed, one of the first rules of law is that money having changed hands is proof of sale AND of ownership.

Signing an MS license agreement does NOT mean you sign away your consumer rights, not in the UK at least.

If not .... MS would make a fortune everytime someone sells on their old PC. Of course, in reality, his 43 lawyers know a loser when they see it. Well ... sometimes they do. LOL You might not have noticed, but of late they are losing more cases than they are winning.


This happened to me once, over a car. The guy bought it from me, then two week later simply decided he didn't like it and wanted his money back! The Law said ..... and it took about forty seconds, "Once the money has changed hands THAT is proof of ownership" Indeed, it was pointed out to the gentleman that once you buy something you own it. Any other agreement would be some form of rental.

License? I don't think so .... the product is offered up for sale as a "Buy it now" "Own it now" product. Consumer rights are therefore bound to apply. The many stores now selling second hand software are proof of this

Good point though .....

Regards,

Paul.

[jbilton]

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Installed from CD - no serial no needed, no need to register. But needed CD in to run.

Installed patches from MS - no CD needed.

My copy was bought in March last year - case has Scotsman on front.

Hi
Ditto....except I don't bother patching...CD don't bother me.
As to the licence of the software, this has been discussed at great lengths on more than occasion....so you can read these threads.
But to summarise selling cars has nothing to do with intellectual property....selling books is much closer.
MS actually sold TS about 11 months ago to Atari, MS CDs haven't been pressed for over a year AFAIK.
Cheers
Jon

[johndibben]

It was illegal to record radio programmes, TV programmes, is illegal to download music I believe.

Reality and The Law often don't coincide in the real world but it takes the latter time to catch up with the former.

As Jon said, it's been discussed many times before.

It's yet another area of trainsimming on which agreement is impossible.

[Jaguar777]

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Installed from CD - no serial no needed, no need to register. But needed CD in to run.

Installed patches from MS - no CD needed.

My copy was bought in March last year - case has Scotsman on front.

Hi
Ditto....except I don't bother patching...CD don't bother me.
As to the licence of the software, this has been discussed at great lengths on more than occasion....so you can read these threads.
But to summarise selling cars has nothing to do with intellectual property....selling books is much closer.
MS actually sold TS about 11 months ago to Atari, MS CDs haven't been pressed for over a year AFAIK.
Cheers
Jon

Okay ......

But ...... do you back up your software?

[mikesimpson]

Strange thread this, I have had MSTS from day one, have installed it on numerous PCs under all operating systems for test purposes, and have never ever had to register it.

I know some later versions of the CD did require you to have the CD in the drive while the game was being run, but the game did not run from the CD, it only sat there doing nothing.

You can get around this by downloading the Patch to v1.2 from MS, or you can edit the registry to remove the registry entry which checked for a disc. (I forget what it was now, but I posted a message here with details a long time ago).

As for the statements about not liking programs which mess with the registry, this shows a lack of understanding of what the registry is. Virtually every Windows program makes use of the registry, this is where most details about the programs language, screen size on startup, location on the hard-drive etc are kept. The registry was introduced among other things to get rid of all the .ini files used in early versions of Windows, and under Windows XP, it works very well.

Mike.

[Jaguar777]

Strange thread this, I have had MSTS from day one, have installed it on numerous PCs under all operating systems for test purposes, and have never ever had to register it.

I know some later versions of the CD did require you to have the CD in the drive while the game was being run, but the game did not run from the CD, it only sat there doing nothing.

You can get around this by downloading the Patch to v1.2 from MS, or you can edit the registry to remove the registry entry which checked for a disc. (I forget what it was now, but I posted a message here with details a long time ago).

As for the statements about not liking programs which mess with the registry, this shows a lack of understanding of what the registry is. Virtually every Windows program makes use of the registry, this is where most details about the programs language, screen size on startup, location on the hard-drive etc are kept. The registry was introduced among other things to get rid of all the .ini files used in early versions of Windows, and under Windows XP, it works very well.

Mike.

Okay ........

But ..... do you back up your software?

[jbilton]

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Installed from CD - no serial no needed, no need to register. But needed CD in to run.

Installed patches from MS - no CD needed.

My copy was bought in March last year - case has Scotsman on front.

Hi
Ditto....except I don't bother patching...CD don't bother me.
As to the licence of the software, this has been discussed at great lengths on more than occasion....so you can read these threads.
But to summarise selling cars has nothing to do with intellectual property....selling books is much closer.
MS actually sold TS about 11 months ago to Atari, MS CDs haven't been pressed for over a year AFAIK.
Cheers
Jon

Okay ......

But ...... do you back up your software?

Hi Paul
All the MSTS CDs pressed in the UK contain the software which blocks the ability to copy.
Therefore if you were an early adopter you got a US CD which can be copied.
This too has been discussed on these forums before.
Cheers
Jon

[Jaguar777]

Cheers Jon

You are indeed .... spot on. That's not to say it can't be done though .... but this isn't the place I feel to discuss such things.

I can happily live with copy protection because I have never had the intent of making illegal copies for illegal purposes. However, I stand by my right to back up my software.

I'm still curious, and no more than idle curiosity to see how many people back up their software. Addmitedly as damage media becomes more durable, for example CD and DVD there becomes less of a need for software back up. Sometimes ..... maybe it's just a case of old habits die hard. LOL

Sleep well Jon. Hope you haven't minded my leg pulling, it was nothing more than a bit of fun, although someone else thought it was I don't truly dislike anyone, I do have a huge sense of humour, but NEVER with any intent of ill feeling.

Regards,

Paul.

[salopiangrowler]

Cheers Jon

You are indeed .... spot on. That's not to say it can't be done though .... but this isn't the place I feel to discuss such things.

I can happily live with copy protection because I have never had the intent of making illegal copies for illegal purposes. However, I stand by my right to back up my software.

I'm still curious, and no more than idle curiosity to see how many people back up their software. Addmitedly as damage media becomes more durable, for example CD and DVD there becomes less of a need for software back up. Sometimes ..... maybe it's just a case of old habits die hard. LOL

Sleep well Jon. Hope you haven't minded my leg pulling, it was nothing more than a bit of fun, although someone else thought it was I don't truly dislike anyone, I do have a huge sense of humour, but NEVER with any intent of ill feeling.

Regards,

Paul.

Ah yeah but it probably hasnt passed ones mind, theres alot more money made on the black market (i watch too many tv shows). It is a temting fact that once you've cracked the CD code anythings possible.

Even a back up CD could cause trouble if ones huse was burgled or raided
as the police would take more interest in your computer contents than the contents of you home these days.

[Jaguar777]

LOL

We ALL probably watch too much TV!!

The Police wouldn't take too much interest in the contents of my PC, unless they were heavily into train spotting or were simply curious to find out if my Aunt in Australia was feeling any better.

The only thing controversial about my PC is the idiot using it.

But then .... I bet that's true of all PC's ...........

Paul.