A2 Sayajirao

nelson · Post by **nelson** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:49 pm

Wish I hadn't started this post, I only said how smart the bloomin' model was and you're all getting the handbags out, tch! tch!

dforrest · Post by **dforrest** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:58 pm

JonathonAG wrote:Yes, it is very supicious, and i do believe that the BATS A2 was shown to the public first ( completed aswell ), so is very supicious. But then again, you can't beat BATS standards

So who cares, let freeware be freeware, let payware be payware. I am sure it makes no difference

From your comments, I trust that you will not be downloading the freeware one.

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johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:03 pm

Very smart loco

It was the done thing not to replicate models, mainly to create more variety. That no longer applies and it provides more choice which is the basis of capitalism

mickoo · Post by **mickoo** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:26 pm

David,

>>Out of 15 A2's to choose from, does it matter 60530 was chosen? I'm sure there'll be reskins of both the UKTS and BATS versions that clash, so why are we meithered about this one? <<.

Goodness me !, not at all, hes welcome to do them all, you also mistake me for mythering, l merely commented on a odd choice for his first rendition, a point perfectly pointed out by JD.

When things were all so more cordial it was good cricket to try to avoid ( where possible ) double jobbing or creating same copies of work, it still applies in flight sim, hence preview shots, a sort of here you go guys, this is whats coming, just incase it clashes with other work.

Incredably within this community l have seen numerious occasions of innocents ( pay and free ) posting screen shots only to be undone by others work, no wonder everyone is so damm secretive around here, we're all so worried someone is going to beat us to the post with a duplicate model.

It does not mean, heres what l've built and no one else is allowed to model the same loco, anyone who thought that was a muppet of the 1st degree. Its a freeworld in this malarky you can do almost as you please.

The whole idea was to add diversity, as JD points out, its cordial and pleasant, if l had know PH was building 60530 and l released mine later l'd get heaps of hate mail for trying to usurp his work. l'd probably also tried to pick one that didnt clash, more fool me ehh

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It is a very smart loco, l've no bones about that, nor freeware, just an honest observation which given the normal suspicions around here is probably seen as a payware builder sniping at freeware, well so be it, theres no way l could ever convince anyone otherwise, nor would l wish to, we are all entitled to our views.

Kindest regards

Michael

nelson · Post by **nelson** » Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:35 pm

Think it's probably just down to there being so many equally talented people all busting a gut trying to keep us well sated with the brilliant
models we so eagerly desire, just to get a stick in the eye for doing it...........Such gratitude. Hang your heads chaps!!!!

harveype · Post by **harveype** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:18 am

To be perfectly honest I do not keep track of what the BATS team are doing , believe it or not I have no idea as what they are creating, I choose Sayajirao because I found the name to be unusual.

I had first created Blue Peter but have promised it to someone so that they can included it on a CD.

I personally dont make assumptions on the fact that the BATS team have reproduced every loco I have made in the past niether do I care. If the public want to pay for there creations so be it, I like to supply a freeware choice for those who dont.

So if you wish to Buy The Bats version feel free, if not enjoy my Freeware version.

Many Thanks
Peter

JonathonAG · Post by **JonathonAG** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:27 am

dforrest wrote:
JonathonAG wrote:Yes, it is very supicious, and i do believe that the BATS A2 was shown to the public first ( completed aswell ), so is very supicious. But then again, you can't beat BATS standards

So who cares, let freeware be freeware, let payware be payware. I am sure it makes no difference
From your comments, I trust that you will not be downloading the freeware one.

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Wrong, i have. I just couldn't resist the look of a lovely B.R A2................so i just had to download it

johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:19 am

mickoo wrote:Goodness me !, not at all, hes welcome to do them all, you also mistake me for mythering, l merely commented on a odd choice for his first rendition, a point perfectly pointed out by JD.

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The whole idea was to add diversity, as JD points out, its cordial and pleasant, if l had know PH was building 60530 and l released mine later l'd get heaps of hate mail for trying to usurp his work. l'd probably also tried to pick one that didnt clash, more fool me ehh .

[Edit]

That was the unwritten code which was a benefit of a 'real' community spirit which I, for one, miss. Other examples appear to be centred around sites, products or individuals as opposed to MSTS and trainsimming in general. It provided much needed variety but it broke down as the amount of downloads increased dramitically in 2002. Some 'old' models required updated and replacing anyway.

This had nothing to do with payware and talk of unneccassary duplication occurred long before anything commercial was produced.

History has rendered this 'code' both obsolete and unworkable. Commercial examples of existing freeware and vice-versa are now commonplace.

I assume that at the present rate of growth of commercial groups, there will come a time when they have to address this problem as profits will be affected.

No such problems with freeware and Pete's prolific production will satisfy and boost the freeware community at a time when it's been under fire for the lack of it, access to it and from E-Bay users who appear out to deter anyone from providing it.

I'm sure that 'old' and 'real' community spirit lives on with many involved with freeware, payware or whatever. A return to it would sweep away much of the bickering on the forums and help MSTS to survive far longer. The ability to do so, is, collectively, ours.

nelson · Post by **nelson** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:50 am

I like to think, rightly or wrongly, that my two-tones, maybe not very good quality, are nevertheless an alternative for people who like that sort of thing and don't want to pay Â£10 for them from you know who.com I for one don't hold with commercial groups,they're killing the community spirit if anyone is. I paid my Â£5 for sprinter sounds and unfortunately lost them, got in touch with them, gave my e-mail, home address, date of birth

everthing I could think of and they didn't want to know, just wanted another Â£5 off me, well they can stick it. You get a CD from this site crammed full of excellent work from the "community" for Â£4.50

kevpotts · Post by **kevpotts** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:48 pm

Nelson - You have a PM

Fodda · Post by **Fodda** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 12:58 pm

Gorgeous model. Well done mate. I'm sure the BATS one will be just as good if not better.

Why has nobody started on about the plethora of Mark 1 coaches around? Seems everone who's a modeller has made a set of Mark 1s, yet that doesn't get berated.

I haven't got a clue who made the best ones... I have so many. LOL... I may make up a consist of Mark 1 RMBs, all by different modellers and payware companies and see how they look in a consist. Maybe have a screenshot contest for who can correctly identify the different modellers efforts.

Calm down fellas, it's only a BR kettle after all, not a Swindon built beauty...

*Ducks behind barricade of Mk 1 coaches just like in Half-Life 2*

mickoo · Post by **mickoo** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:25 pm

Fodda,

Actually I think your wrong, it was the Mk1s in partial l was refering too in a previous post, there has been some heated debates about Mk1s, esp scale and proportions and plenty of ohhh gawd not more Mk1s posts.

As John pointed out, it was old school and sort of unspoken that you tried to keep things as diverse as possible, however the comment that freeware examples effecting payware has in my expariance not been found.

I have had planes released only to have freeware ones released the same week and it hasnt effected sales, those that buy will buy, those that dont...wont, those that 'may' have bought but opted for freeware...well thats there choice and this is always about choice.

So please be assured its not the arrival of a free A2 possibly usurping an imminent pay A2 that concerned me, it was merely the fact that oh hell now were going to have 'two' identical A2s and in my experiance that will lead to this is better than that . and all the other BS that usually accompanies this sort of event.

Best regards

Michael

nelson · Post by **nelson** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:37 pm

Unspoken rules I think come about by the fear of treading on peoples toes, out of respect more than anything else, but it is a community and people should share, and support each other's contributions, not bicker over who's is who's and who's is best like a load of school kids.
More choice is good.

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:29 pm

I reckon he chose that one because it had the most unpronounceable name - but it looks pretty damned good to me, and that's all I'm worried about.

If it's any consolation, I think I've got four Flying Scotsmans in my collection - and I've not heard anyone bitching about the number of those around, commercial or otherwise, or the plethora of diesels.

johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:39 pm

johndibben wrote:I assume that at the present rate of growth of commercial groups, there will come a time when they have to address this problem as profits will be affected.

Whoops!

After reading Michael's post, I realised that was unclear and should've read '.... there might come a time when they could duplicate each others work ....'