Grantham to Doncaster Route

jascott · Post by **jascott** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:43 pm

I saw this on eBay and thought it was interesting. Does anyone know any more about it?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 56736&rd=1

John

JonathonAG · Post by **JonathonAG** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:48 pm

how dare he say that other routes for MSTS does not have high detail and scenery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still, that is very interesting, but are those his won models he is including in them?

ThamesClyde · Post by **ThamesClyde** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:05 pm

The buildings at Doncaster are some of Ian Jenkins work and the cooling towers at High Marnam are Tim Courts I'd say. The strange thing is,that he hasn't bothered electrifing Doncaster or Grantham stations, both on the ECML.
Simon

Timcourt1 · Post by **Timcourt1** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:08 pm

My Track texture too!

Beginning to wear a bit thin is this!

Tim C

tonyveal · Post by **tonyveal** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:15 pm

I've written to this person and to ask if they have permission to use the said items. Every time I see any of these things on ebay I fire off a series of emails asking awkward questions (I have 4 ebay "accounts"), legaality issues etc

To be fair, to date 4/5 people have removed items once challanged. If a large number of people were doing this, say 40-50, I can't help but think the deluge would "encourage" more to follow suite.

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:57 pm

I've just written asking if it uses default scenery and stock... be interesting to see what he says.

ThamesClyde · Post by **ThamesClyde** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:14 pm

What tickles me is the fact he states"I'M NOT DOING THIS TOO MAKE MONEY ONLY TO GAUGE PEOPLES OPINION" so why put it on an internet auction site if he's not out to make any money?????
Simon.
PS I've also sent him an email as well!!!!

rushdenx1 · Post by **rushdenx1** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:38 pm

The Route in question is mine. I did not realise it would cause so much debate. I started the route around the same time as Tim started his excellent MidEast route, in fact I supplied some photos to Tim to help him with his route. The route is totally my own work, but to answer the question as to whether I have got permission to use every building or track texture, then the answer is no. I totally support the view that you should not sell other peoples routes, but having put in 1000s of hours work to create this route, I do not believe I have done anything wrong. To answer some of the questions already asked, I know other routes do have high detail and scenery, but I have made sure that even outside the cab you cannot see where the scenery ends. The reason it is not electrified is because I think it would spoil the look and I much prefer using diesels and hsts for freight and passenger. I'm sure there will be further comments and I am quite willing to answer any further questions. Kevin.

ThamesClyde · Post by **ThamesClyde** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:02 pm

may i ask what you intend doing with the money raised from the auction? Its upto Â£15 already.
Simon

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:06 pm

Wouldn't it be better to upload the route here for the masses to enjoy?

David

rushdenx1 · Post by **rushdenx1** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:35 pm

OK guys you win. I will remove the route from the auction. If I was in it for the money then I would be selling 100 copies not 1. I don't see how uploading it changes the fact that I have been criticised for not asking permission to use certain buildings and textures. No one seems remotely interested in the route itself anyway. This is a shame as I am proud of it and the couple of friends who have driven it reckon it's as good as anything else around.

ThamesClyde · Post by **ThamesClyde** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:41 pm

Its not a point of whose won its a the fact that your selling a route containing other peoples FREEWARE models that you haven't even asked permission to use, I for one would be very angry to find my work being sold by individuals on eBay and for them to make money from it.
Why should I or others contributors bother uploading models that have taken a lot of time and effort to produce for herberts like yourself to sell on eBay?????
Simon

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:58 pm

No one seems remotely interested in the route itself anyway.

I'm definately interested in the route, and I think a lot more will be if you share it with the public rather than sell just the one in the internet. It also would have been nice to ask permissions

David

champy · Post by **champy** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:34 pm

rushdenx1 wrote:OK guys you win. I will remove the route from the auction. If I was in it for the money then I would be selling 100 copies not 1. I don't see how uploading it changes the fact that I have been criticised for not asking permission to use certain buildings and textures. No one seems remotely interested in the route itself anyway. This is a shame as I am proud of it and the couple of friends who have driven it reckon it's as good as anything else around.

I really must be missing the point. If you have been a member of UKTS from DEC 2001, why advertise it on Ebay when you obviuosly know of UKTS? Even though its based around some of the Mid East route,possibly some duplication of it, surely you would relise that the members of this site would have been interested?
And by some of the comments are still interested??
Can you not get permission to use the relevant buildings etc?

Jon

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:39 pm

Its possible that by now, the permissions list may be too huge to find permissions for.