What is the best sounds to use with the prototype SR Diesel

[arabiandisco]

Jimmylad; FYI, the Class 56s had a Ruston Paxman 16RK3CT engine not an EE engine, and this has the same power rating as a Deltic! (Ok I admit there were TWO 18 cylinder Napier Deltic engines in a Deltic)

GK

Same as a 4REP as well

[phill70]

alisterbetts: Very true! Nothing could catch a Deltic - well not until the Flying Banana appeared (Class 43). Mallard would have given a Deltic a run for it's money though!
GK

I once in the late 80's got over 100mph, out of 50030 on an early morning ecs from old oak common to bristol, and they were ment to be clapped out then.

A 4REP was the most powerfull 3rd rail EMU ever built.

[arabiandisco]

I have a set of timings (not my own) including 50045 crossing the viaduct between Andover and Grately at 102mph. Load was 9 x mk2 (17/9/1988)

[micksasse]

Jimmylad; FYI, the Class 56s had a Ruston Paxman 16RK3CT engine not an EE engine, and this has the same power rating as a Deltic! (Ok I admit there were TWO 18 cylinder Napier Deltic engines in a Deltic)

Ruston Paxman ended up with the rights to EE engines, so it's from the same family. Technically it's 50 bhp less than a Deltic (or a pair of Deltics, if we're being pedantic).

Of course, the rated power of the standard Deltic engine is actually 2,500 bhp rather than 'just' 1,650 - they were heavily derated for rail use in order to give satisfactory time between overhauls.

All this stuff about top speeds: remember that Deltics were specifically designed to cruise at 100 mph, rather than occasionally to touch it - as such, a Deltic running at anything less than 110 is barely worth reporting (even these days...!)

While being pedantic, I'm not sure that the 'D' in Sulzer's '12LDA28B' (or whatever) notation can stand for 'diesel' - I think it's actually short for 'double', i.e. the double-banked layout of their engines; contrast with the 12LVA.. and 16LVA.. units in the class 48 and in Kestrel respectively, which are in a 'vee' formation. Before I get my anorak, I'll mention this rather good history of Sulzer engines (I think I was referred to it by somebody here!): http://www.derbysulzers.com/sulzerengine.html

[ianmacmillan]

I hate to interrupt but......

I downloaded the prototype SR Diesels and wanted differnt sounds.

Which sound pacls on ukts would go best with this model and is there a cabview that could be used with this model

I'd really like to know the answer.

[jbilton]

I hate to interrupt but......

I downloaded the prototype SR Diesels and wanted differnt sounds.

Which sound pacls on ukts would go best with this model and is there a cabview that could be used with this model

I'd really like to know the answer.

Well I'd still say....

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 358#418358

[greenknight]

Jimmylad; FYI, the Class 56s had a Ruston Paxman 16RK3CT engine not an EE engine, and this has the same power rating as a Deltic! (Ok I admit there were TWO 18 cylinder Napier Deltic engines in a Deltic)

Ruston Paxman ended up with the rights to EE engines, so it's from the same family. Technically it's 50 bhp less than a Deltic (or a pair of Deltics, if we're being pedantic).

Of course, the rated power of the standard Deltic engine is actually 2,500 bhp rather than 'just' 1,650 - they were heavily derated for rail use in order to give satisfactory time between overhauls.

All this stuff about top speeds: remember that Deltics were specifically designed to cruise at 100 mph, rather than occasionally to touch it - as such, a Deltic running at anything less than 110 is barely worth reporting (even these days...!)

While being pedantic, I'm not sure that the 'D' in Sulzer's '12LDA28B' (or whatever) notation can stand for 'diesel' - I think it's actually short for 'double', i.e. the double-banked layout of their engines; contrast with the 12LVA.. and 16LVA.. units in the class 48 and in Kestrel respectively, which are in a 'vee' formation. Before I get my anorak, I'll mention this rather good history of Sulzer engines (I think I was referred to it by somebody here!): http://www.derbysulzers.com/sulzerengine.html

Well I never knew that R-P inherited the rights to EE engines. I assumed that when GEC grabbed EE (& asset-stripped them) they buried all references to their product range. EE WAS a great company It gave us a great range of locos (well apart from the baby Deltics whose reliability left something to be desired) a superb fighter plane (the Canberra) and a reliable range of household white goods (fridges etc).

You're absolutely right about the Sulzer D nomenclature. Basically, the D engines there were two banks of vertical cylinders side by side. e.g. the 12LDA series had two banks of 6 cylinders side by side whose crankshafts were connected together with some nifty gearing (as the Deltic engines had) to give a central power output shaft. These engines weren't without problems in the early days of the 12LDA28C as fitted to the class 47s which suffered from a series of fatigue/stress cracks near the big ends among other places. This caused major headaches for BR with loco shortages in the mid 60s when many 47s already built were "off the road" waiting to have major remedial work done to the engines to overcome the fatigue/fracture problems. Once this was done, the locos gave sterling service. I'm not sure if it was at that time they were derated from 2750HP to 2500HP.

It's getting warm in here: think I'll take my anorak off now!
GK

[jimmyladd]

Thanks for that Mick! Intrestingly that engine type was developed even further to pruduce the class 58 engine which I think is effectivly a class 37 engine still with 3000+BHP

[arabiandisco]

the D in sulzer notation certainly doesn't stand for "double", as 33s have an 8LDA, and (mc)rats have 6LDAs. and they're single bank engines....

[alisterbetts]

If you've ever heard a 56 from afar you'd be in no doubt as to it's EE origins. Used to live in Westbury and on summer evenings could clearly hear a 56 struggling up to Upton Scudamore with a banker on the rear making that destinctive beat of an EE p/unit.

Similar in Sri Lanka where you can lie on the beach south of Columbo and hear the Paxman powered M9s from miles off, quite clearly an EE sound. Nearly ruined my holiday. As a teenager living on the edge of the Somerset levels you could hear the Log up the 'up tpo' for miles before it actually spluttered past - very distinctive.

[micksasse]

the D in sulzer notation certainly doesn't stand for "double", as 33s have an 8LDA, and (mc)rats have 6LDAs. and they're single bank engines....

Ah, I rather take your point (must admit I haven't seen inside a Sulzer 2 but I assume that's just 6 in-line rather than 2 banks of 3? No, OK, that would be a bit silly).

Suggestions?

[micksasse]

Similar in Sri Lanka where you can lie on the beach south of Columbo and hear the Paxman powered M9s from miles off, quite clearly an EE sound. Nearly ruined my holiday.

Must have been awful for you - poor lamb

[micksasse]

I'm not sure if it was at that time they were derated from 2750HP to 2500HP.

Yep, pretty sure it was.



It would be SO cool to have an English Electric fridge...

[markw]

I used to have a genuine 1950's English Electric cookbook which was given out with the cookers, full of brilliant stuff right from how to boil water without burning it to how to do a full three course Sunday Lunch, plus lots of staple recipes like Victoria Sponge, Swiss Roll, Lamb Casserole etc. Absolutely priceless, the bloody thing went awol in the last house move. I could spit as it also contained many other recipes I'd kept from magazines and newspapers and the like over the years including Flanders State Radio's World Service Horsemeat/Beef Carbonade recipe.

Don't ask.

[jimmyladd]

you could put a fridge in one of your class 37's Mick, would that do?