Class Locos

[buffy500]

Eurostars are two sets joined together.
And two of the coaches are powered too.

As were the ATP-P.(2 sets together)


Like I said earlier....

[buffy500]

My logic (time to worry people!) would say they could be classified as multiple units, due to the fact the HST is always a set. Always 2 power cars, and the same type of coaches.

Erm like the 225 then ? Which is classified as a 91, MKIV coaches, and a DVT. But is the same config virtually all the time.


I think where the HST fell down was, the power cars were easily changed, and they were changed often. Also there is no multiple working.
Its much more of a top and tailed (mostly) fixed formation.

[basildd]

My logic (time to worry people!) would say they could be classified as multiple units, due to the fact the HST is always a set. Always 2 power cars, and the same type of coaches.

Erm like the 225 then ? Which is classified as a 91, MKIV coaches, and a DVT. But is the same config virtually all the time.


I think where the HST fell down was, the power cars were easily changed, and they were changed often. Also there is no multiple working.
Its much more of a top and tailed (mostly) fixed formation.

And for those who think HST's are DMU's can I suggest you get out and about on the Western Region - so far this week, the ecs for the Night Riviera sleeper train has been hauled from Old Oak Common to Paddington by 43132 and 43151 back to back coupled and also 43005 and 43024 were used to haul 47811 from Plymouth Laira, for repairs after it failed down there. Hardly DMU work!

[jbilton]

And for those who think HST's are DMU's .... 43132 and 43151 back to back coupled and also 43005 and 43024 ...... Hardly DMU work!

Oooh brilliant...."Tractors"...I think they call um....and some power under their bonnets too!!.

[allypally]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/die ... R/pix.html
There are at least 3 pics of Class 43s on their lonesome.[/quote]

[buffy500]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/die ... R/pix.html
There are at least 3 pics of Class 43s on their lonesome.

But they are all of the same Power car on the same day in the same place.

[Stooopidperson]

I believe locos are that all the equipment are in the locos, e.g. HSTs, Class 91s, etc
While MUs have equipment in some other cars as well besides the leading cars, e.g. 373s have 2 motor cars as well in their formation

[arabiandisco]

One incident I heard of (though didn't see) was when a HST power car failed at Newcastle (I think), they uncoupled it, and the train went north with just the one power car. That would have been good to get a photo of...

[allypally]

But they are all of the same Power car on the same day in the same place.

What of the one actually moving on its own on a freight line

[ianmacmillan]

I once saw a power car arriving at Shield depot for wheel turning.

It was hauling a few coaches including a vacuum braked Mk1 and there was a goods brake on the end.

Craigentinny used them as locos quite often for running to Shields or Glasgow works with repairs in the middle of the night.

Similarly Hamilton used to use a few DMU power cars to collect stores wagons from Mossend or the works.

[jdjonny]

There have been occasions (this was in IC swallow days) when they would stick back-to-back power cars on a train to drag a failed set forwards if there were no locos available.

http://railpics.fotopic.net/c91994.html

Few pics there of light engine power cars (Excuse the self promotion!)

Also a mate's photos of a very interesting VT move a few years back:

http://www.southwestrailphots.fotopic.net/c155864.html

47811 is a real tragedy, I photted/bashed it on the run before it failed. Get well soon! (Although with 47815 "on-the-mend" and 57605 being delivered will it be worth FGW spending more money on her?)

In-tone with the light engine/solo powercars - does anyone know what the FGW barrier vehicles are converted from? They're quite tatty old vans..

piccy:



Any ideas?

JDJonny

JDJonny

[Zackybong1]

I believe locos are that all the equipment are in the locos, e.g. HSTs, Class 91s, etc
While MUs have equipment in some other cars as well besides the leading cars, e.g. 373s have 2 motor cars as well in their formation

Sorry, been away a bit.

Its all to do with the multiple aspect.

You can't stick two full as built HST (Class 252/3/4) sets together.
You can't stick two ORIGINAL Blue Pullman (Class 251) sets together.
They are diesel units. They are not multiple.

You have to move out of the 250-259 bracket if you want to make them multiple. Class 251 became 261. Its got nothing to do with equipment within the unit or hanging under it. The Blue Pullmans had power equiment in other coaches besides the Driving cars.

[Zackybong1]

Besides which my original intention was to help TGVDuplex out of a spot with his numbering/recognition dilemmas. I don't suppose all this has helped him a good deal.

[iancm]

Hi Matthew
Going back to your original post. Yes the choice of locomotives available for download is overwhelming but it simply reflects the wide variety of locomotives introduced over the years. It's given us train simmers a wonderful array of types to run but you a dilemma as which to choose.
My best advice would be to buy one of the Freeware Route CDS that also include a lot of locomotives & stock. North West England is a good bet.. loads high quality locos together with stock not to mention a wonderful railway network. At best you would have a great starting point to discovering "modern" British trains at worst you will have spent £4.50 finding out driving trains like these is not what you want.
Hope tis helps
Ian

[demonshadow]

i have skipped quite a bit to say this, its proberly already been said,(im not sure but i might be regarded as very knowledgable on the subject, shame my spellings a bit messy tho)

at introduction,the HST and class 91 +sets were down as multiple unit,
HST as has been said 252(proto type i belive),253,254 were under multiple unit codeing during the nationalisation peroiod (1960-1980s) same was for 91 only being 225 instead so therefore by this can we safely agree the 220 series was electric?
towards the end i belive the HST had set number on its nose Power car number on its side, tho this could be wrong
and at the end of britishrail class number appeared on the above classes

corrections where due?? sorry if im miles out but thats roughly what i learned

miguel