worrying route complications

clanker88 · Post by **clanker88** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:59 am

I'm just a little concerned about the increase in complexity route designers are adding to their installations.

first was Xtracks, which was ok it was a pretty easy download and install.

But now we are getting magnetic platforms, Finescale, and even something as exotic as "Newroads for the runway".

I found the magnetic platforms, but haven't installed because there's a lot of file sifting and sorting and copying/backing up. Mainly i'm worried about getting out of sync with the process of updating the Tsection for xtracks.

I notice some routes are now also using UK FINESCALE 3.1.5 - but so far i've not found any documentation with any route about where i can get this from. (I found some UK FINESCALE downloads on UKTS, but none of them montions V3.1.5). So i cant even find this thing, let alone decide if i want to install it).

and as for "Newroads for the runway" - who the hell knows...

It seems like user's of MSTS are increasingly needing to get into the nuts and bolts of route designing, when we (at least ME) just want to download a route and use it as simply as possible.

What is so great about Magnetic platforms, Finescales, and (Newroad runways), that make any route not worth designing wothout????

Pls designers - can you design your routes for day-to-day users, and not just for other route designers, like your part of some exclusive geeky club.

thanks

nwallace · Post by **nwallace** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:04 pm

Finescale

Tim has written a nice little utility that will download the finescale track and keep your tsection.dat up to date.

New Roads
Do a downloads search to find it
Extract it and copy the lot to yor Global folder
Easier than XTracks

Though i haven't yet found the Turnhouse runway in Scottish Central which is weird as its soemthing you notice instantly as you pass the end of it

Magnetic Platforms are ancient

Think they are in the Standardised TSection as well
So copy to global folder and the rest is hopefulyl in the route.
They arent' really magnetic, you ocudl run a car spawner over tem if you wanted!

danielw2599 · Post by **danielw2599** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:27 pm

clanker88 wrote: Pls designers - can you design your routes for day-to-day users, and not just for other route designers, like your part of some exclusive geeky club.

thanks

So what do you want?? A few curves and some straight track, maybe a switch or two??

Railways can be very complex and UKFS alows designers to push the limits of MSTS beyond its intended limit. Thus creating a more realistic simulator for you. Usually routes come with a readme so there should be no problems, 5 - 10 minutes to copy files over and thats about it.

Ive started my own route at least 15 times since MSTS was released but never got past about 10 miles of track as i loose interest very quickly

so i know how much time and effort goes into making a route and i have nothing put praise for all those that not only complete a route, but go onto upload it for the whole community (either free or a small price to cover cost. So that little comment about a geeky club, youve probably insulted quite alot of people.

Daniel

clanker88 · Post by **clanker88** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:52 pm

thanks for that nwallace, But who is "Tim"? i assume he is part of the route designers' club, but as i'm not in that club i dont really know him from adam.

Can I point out again, that i'm not an enthusiast - just some dumb end-user (and you lot really seem to take delight in that term DUMB USER - dont you).

Pls caould you go the extra-mile and try to explain to a dumb user what you mean, and who this mysterious guru "tim" is. Do I need to go on a pilgrimage to holy Swindon, or something?

many thanks

clanker88 · Post by **clanker88** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:57 pm

"So what do you want?? A few curves and some straight track, maybe a switch or two?? "

Well - the best route i've downloaded so far is the huge and extensive "Thames-Mersey" route - which is excellant. I appreciate it even more now i know they designed it without using the crutches of FINESCAL, Magnetic platforms or "Mrs Smith's backgarden" addons.

I suggest that if you geeky types want to see how to REALLY design a route, try speaking to those guys...!

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:59 pm

Like many have said before, use the forum search button at the top. There has been COUNTLESS threads on Finding UKFinescale, Installing UKFinescale, Newroads, X-Tracks and whatever else you desire

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Finescale can be found on http://www.trainsimfiles.com , while Newroads can be found on this site.

you lot really seem to take delight in that term DUMB USER - dont you

No, we do take delight in 'User who can't be bothered to use simple searching techniques'

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Have you ever tried to attempt a route? If not, you probably don't appreciate how much time and effort goes into creating highly realistic sections of the UK, and beyond for that matter. Maybe members of the so-called 'Geeky Club' want their route to be as good as they can get it, and use maybe one or two simply-installed packages to make it so?

All it takes is 5 minutes to search, or ask for help in a POLITE way. Think of how many would have come to your aid if you would have simply put " Where do I find ______ and how do I install it?" than what you did? If your insulting people for doing nothing wrong, what do you think makes them want to help you?

David

clanker88 · Post by **clanker88** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:13 pm

I'm sorry - but i thought i would have got some sense out of a moderator (part of the route-designers club no doubt).

You've just re-iterated my point...
"Finescale can be found on http://www.trainsimfiles.com , while Newroads can be found on this site"

There are lots of FINESCALE files on that site - none of them say V3.1.5. So at least a little more information is needed for me to follow your instructions.

As for SEARCHING this site, you are right, i could have done that with no problem, but you've completely missed my point. The instructions listed on thise threads SHOULD be part of the route installation instructions. Otherwise you might just as well say "SEE THE ukts FORUMS 'SEARCH' FUNCTION FOR INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS". (is this what you're suggesting?)

I have great respect for route designers - but i despise geeky types who cant be bothered to finish their job and supply proper installation guides for 'dumb' end-users)

thanks

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:22 pm

clanker88 wrote:I'm just a little concerned about the increase in complexity route designers are adding to their installations.
thanks

Hi
Well I'm just confused...as you appear to be a new user?..........but your comment on xtracks,UK Finescale,magnetic platforms and newroads...being new fancy addons?.........they've been around longer than I've been simming.

Most of these addons are downloads that have been grafted with blood sweat and tears to enhance the users enjoyment of the basic sim....you dont have to use them....(but ten minutes research on you behalf isn't too much to ask surely)........and if it is wait for the CD to come out.

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:24 pm

clanker88 wrote:(part of the route-designers club no doubt)

Not at all, I've attempted ( and failed ) at several routes, so I don't fall into that category

There are lots of FINESCALE files on that site - none of them say V3.1.5. So at least a little more information is needed for me to follow your instructions.

After a brief look on the site...

http://trainsimfiles.com/products/ukfs/download/

I can see a copy of 3.1.5 on there, and a track manager too...why not grab the latter? This should sort out your problems for you

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As for SEARCHING this site, you are right, i could have done that with no problem, but you've completely missed my point. The instructions listed on thise threads SHOULD be part of the route installation instructions. Otherwise you might just as well say "SEE THE ukts FORUMS 'SEARCH' FUNCTION FOR INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS". (is this what you're suggesting?)

Did you download the 'ReadmeFirst' file for Scottish Central?

I have great respect for route designers - but i despise geeky types who cant be bothered to finish their job and supply proper installation guides for 'dumb' end-users

Well if you need help, and there isn't instructions ( which is a VERY rare occurence ), feel free to ask the forums. But like I have already stated, why do you think people will help you with an attitude like that?

David

danielw2599 · Post by **danielw2599** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:25 pm

I do suggest you stop branding people geeks. Its not clever and people will stop helping.

As for UKFS Follow these steps

1- type http://www.trainsimfiles.net into your adress bar

2- click products located on the left hand side of the page

3- Click the picture that says "Prototypical Track System"

4 - Click " Track Manager" section.

5 - Read webpage

6- Download to HDD

7- Install

8 - Run

Sorry if this sounds patronising, but you wanted help

Daniel

clanker88 · Post by **clanker88** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:31 pm

ok - so it isn't complex to install some of these new routes, it is a piece of cake for non technical types to make sense of the spagetti of upgrades required, and its a breeze to find relevant websites and trawl forums for proper installation instructions for all the addons.

i know these routes are free, and in my opinion it's just as well, because you almost certainly wouldn't move many otherwise.

hoping you all enjoy your own incestuous society as you lovingly create routes for each-other.

subject closed

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:43 pm

MSTS Newroads [18194419 bytes] - NewRoads_V40_MSTS1_Setup.exe
File ID: 6254 Date: 23 Nov 2007 - 20266 Downloads

Platform Kit IV Ashphalt Version [272957 bytes] - PlatformKitIV.zip
File ID: 1211 Date: 09 Oct 2002 - 14669 Downloads

'Magnetic' Platform Kit I [312270 bytes] - PlatformKitI.zip
File ID: 1186 Date: 09 Oct 2002 - 17859 Downloads

Invalid File ID [9894]

Invalid File ID [9569]

Christopher125 · Post by **Christopher125** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:48 pm

Hi

Can someone remove this guy? He's trying to start a flamewar from the word go, and he has decided to insult the very people who are making what he uses? He must be mentally deranged, the phrase 'dont bite the hand that feeds you' come to mind. People like you put off people uploading routes etc, who are trying to find their way in the community. Branding them Geeks is probably the best way of stopping them contributing I know of. I am surprised people are helping him to be quite honest, you're almost as bad as he is. This guy has destroyed my faith in this community, I thought that we were people who shared the same hobby, and enjoyed each other's contributions, but by what this 'idiot' is saying we are two groups, normal people who dont upload anything, and 'geeks' who actually bother to do stuff and upload hundreds of hours of their own work, for FREE. Some people are unbelievable.

Chris

Christopher125 · Post by **Christopher125** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 1:59 pm

Also mate, we premium subscribers (many of whom are route builders), pay to keep this site running. I find it unlikely that you are also a premium subscriber, so we are effectively paying for your use of this site (to a degree anyway), so insulting the people who let you download stuff without having to pay a subscription yourself, is even madder.

Chris

sg100 · Post by **sg100** » Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:07 pm

clanker88 wrote:ok - so it isn't complex to install some of these new routes, it is a piece of cake for non technical types to make sense of the spagetti of upgrades required, and its a breeze to find relevant websites and trawl forums for proper installation instructions for all the addons.

i know these routes are free, and in my opinion it's just as well, because you almost certainly wouldn't move many otherwise.

If you're finding it that difficult I suggest you wait for the CD version, which should have an automatic installer.

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