Trainstore

asalmon · Post by **asalmon** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:18 pm

Oh yes, my SR problems were before TS was invented!

eyore · Post by **eyore** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:22 pm

Thanks for all the comments I should be able to sort the prioblem out now.......really looking forward to transferring the eng/wag files of 300+ stock files from Trainset(2) folder to Trainset!

Can I also add to previous comments that I firmly believe this is a Restore issue and not a Trainstore problem.

TFormoso · Post by **TFormoso** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:54 pm

Eyore

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

I have sent you a PM. (I am looking for some information about the Restore results, which would be extremely helpful for the utility I mentioned)

Thanks

Tony

Geoffwright · Post by **Geoffwright** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:32 pm

Tony,

Might it not be helpful to advise all subscribers to Trainstore that in the event of them thinking they have to use System Restore on their computer, then if at all possible, they should FIRST try to open Trainstore & unstore everything ?

No, on second thoughts, perhaps not - who reads the manual or the help files, anyway ...........!!!!????

Oh, well - thanks for an outstanding (and free !) utility, Tony.

dforrest · Post by **dforrest** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:28 pm

dforrest wrote:
TFormoso wrote:Please could you give some examples, of what Train Store is doing, when this happens.

Thanks

Tony
From memory, I would say a long operation such as "Unstore All", but I will monitor this and advise you of specific instances (thanks for adding "Save As"!).

David

Tony:

It hasn't happened again (but I am sure that it did happen soon after I upgraded).

David

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:43 pm

TFormoso wrote:Steve,

That manufacturer just does not recommend Train Store. I have contacted them, and asked for an explanation. They claim that it caused their helpdesk too much time in support. They also made claims about it damaging installations.

They refused to provide any evidence, and they refused any cooperation whatsoever. Instead I did receive by telephone a statement on how very big they were, how very close they were to Microsoft, and how they really are experts.

What can I say?

Looks like you got your towel on HIS sunlounger Tony

Perhaps we should avoid all add ons with the word "bahn" in them

Slaps self on wrist and tells self to behave....

In the spirit of, and as a great supporter of, EUTrainSim I'd have to say that most of the Germans that I've had dealings with have been friendly and helpful and certainly, bearing in mind my total lack of German, pretty patient. Our "expert" just goes to show that "d*ckheads" are an international phenomenum.

I for one could not live without Train Store, but have yet to buy any Pro Train Titles. Unless I'm in the minority our "spokesperson" for this add-on needs to reconsider their stance! I for one already have a small "alarm" ringing in the back of my head, as a potential customer, at this sort of response.

The customer may not always be right, but the customer does not have to buy your product either.

I've made my views on publishers who ignore customer feedback clear before. I keep an open mind. Those who listen get my custom, those who don't.......don't.

Geoff

Garthion · Post by **Garthion** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:11 pm

Geoff,

I Agree entirely, the old addage goes in full:
The customer is always right, until their wrong!
In my experience they are usually wrong BUT can be right with a little help.
Train Store is excellent, esspecially if you have a number of routes.
Cheers for a GREAT utillity.

Crosstie · Post by **Crosstie** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:32 pm

I heartily agree. I doff my cap to Tony F. and the authors of all the wonderful, free utilities available on this site.

Using a combination of Train Store, Route Riter and Con Builder, (and a little patience), I haven't met a trainsim problem I couldn't solve. And I'm no expert. Everybody should have all three programs on their system.

I know it's been said many times but, without Train Store I could not run MSTS (27 routes and heaven only knows how many activities and stock).

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:21 pm

Me too. I've said all along that TrainStore is a wonderful piece of kit; it's just a little demanding in that you MUST use it properly, but it's impossible for it not to need that and still do the job it's supposed to do.
Now if there were just some little utility that wouldn't let you open ANYTHING in MSTS until it made sure you'd:
a) read the instructions, and
b) put them into practice,
we wouldn't have any problems.

but we'd not have much to read in the forums, either....

dforrest · Post by **dforrest** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 4:16 pm

dforrest wrote:
dforrest wrote:
TFormoso wrote:Please could you give some examples, of what Train Store is doing, when this happens.

Thanks

Tony
From memory, I would say a long operation such as "Unstore All", but I will monitor this and advise you of specific instances (thanks for adding "Save As"!).

David
Tony:

It hasn't happened again (but I am sure that it did happen soon after I upgraded).

David

Well I was not imagining it! Here is a definite report on it happening. It is during "Unstore Everything".

1. The display of files being checked froze a a particular consist although processing continued.

2. I dialogue box came up about replacing a duplicated consist.

3. I answered this and the display of fies being checked restarted.

4. The display of files being checked froze a a particular wag file although processing continued.

5. The "Unstore Everything" operation completed correctly.

There was no connection between the files in 1, 2 or 4. In fact many files had been processed between 1 and 2 and between 3 and 4. As I said before, this in no way effects the smooth operation of your great utility, just a little disconcerting while you are using it!

David

TFormoso · Post by **TFormoso** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 6:24 pm

David,

Thanks for the report.

I am sorry but I am not able to reproduce it though. What OS are you using. I am using Win ME.

Tony

thenudehamster · Post by **thenudehamster** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 6:30 pm

Tony, I've noticed that if TrainStore is in the middle of a long process, the display window will 'freeze' if you either: click in the window, or: activate another window on the screen. The 'busy' cursor is still active when the TS window is active, but the display is 'frozen' until the operation is finished. I've no idea what internal process deals with this, but I just treat it as another Windows nuisance, and live with it.

{edit} BTW, I use WinXP

meekins · Post by **meekins** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 7:29 pm

Don't know if this is any help at all but here goes:

1. I recently had to use 'system restore' on Windows XP home edition & had forgotten I had just stored on all but one activity. Fair play to the system it let me know it had renamed files and on reloading I found, as has already been mentioned that I had *****.*(2) files all over the place' one containing the bulk the other the .eng file ect.

Took a while but transferred all the 'bits' from the (2) file back to the orriginal including the sub folders in 'routes' & everything seems to work ok.

2. The 'task bar' at the bottom of train store freezes when I'm 'storing' things in both easy & classic mode but I put this down to the fact that I've got about 30 - 35 routes, 2.300 folders in trainset and approx. 1900 - 2000 consists at any one time, slightly excessive I accept & I must get round to sorting them out, but there is no problem with the program whatsoever.

So thanks for a great program that allows lazy people like me to enjoy MSTS

dforrest · Post by **dforrest** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:55 pm

thenudehamster wrote:Tony, I've noticed that if TrainStore is in the middle of a long process, the display window will 'freeze' if you either: click in the window, or: activate another window on the screen. The 'busy' cursor is still active when the TS window is active, but the display is 'frozen' until the operation is finished. I've no idea what internal process deals with this, but I just treat it as another Windows nuisance, and live with it.

{edit} BTW, I use WinXP

Yes, that also happens with me. In addition what I have reported above.

.

TFormoso · Post by **TFormoso** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 10:04 pm

I cannot reproduce this problem on WinME. Either by creating duplicate files to cause the File Choice winow to appear, by clicking in the window, or clicking outside the window. The nearest I can get to any problem is, once it is in the middle of doing a long process, if I [Alt]+[Tab] to another window, I can't [Alt]+[Tab] back. But, if I move the window which is now on top as a result of the [Alt]+[Tab], then the Train Store window is there, with everything correct and the status bar updating as normal.

I don't think this problem is related to numbers of items as suggested. The test installation has more items than the exampes quoted. Obviously with a very small number of items in the installation the process would be so quick that it would be difficult to notice anything. But, with practical installation sizes don't think the size of installation makes a difference.

I think the difference is in the way different OS versions handle things. Train Store does repaint itself fairly frequently. But XP seems to want more than that, and any deviation from its requirements seems to cause XP to ignore the repaint request. To change the way Train Store handles this repainting is something I shall consider, but I don't whether I will actually will do it. (That depends upon the amount of work needed)

Thank you for all of the aditional information in the reports.

Concerning the System Restore issue. This is not something that Train Store does. The problem is that under some circumstances when you restore the system back to a Checkpoint, System Restore creates new folders for some items (either in the Train Store storage folder or in the MSTS folders, or any other folders where files have apparently been removed) These folders can be recognised by having a numeric suffix - usually (2).

I have a tool which will restore all of the contents of such folders back to their correct place, if anyone is faced with this problem. It is not generally available because, as the problem is quite unusual, I don't know yet whether it covers all of the conditions likely to arise. So, I am very cautious about letting it get into the hands of the 'wrong people'. But, if you do have the problem, and you can tell me about it, then I won't think you are one of the 'wrong people', and I think I can assist.

Thanks again for all the input.

Tony