Class 67's emergency brakes applied at 74mph!

XPTE · Post by **XPTE** » Thu May 27, 2004 8:42 pm

Just test drove an activity involving a Class 67, and was horrified to discover that the emergerncy brakes were auto applied at 74mph! This was with EWS Class 67004. The max speed of Class 67's is 125mph!

Does anyone know of any 67's which don't have the emergency brakes auto applied at this low speed? I know that you can edit the ENG files, but as I will be using a Class 67 for an uploadable activity, I would like one where preforably the downloaders of the activity don't have to fiddle about altering the ENG file.

champy · Post by **champy** » Thu May 27, 2004 8:56 pm

have a look around the forums im sure i read a thread a few months back re the same thing, but i canne remeber what it was about other than editing the eng file to put the speed correct

champy · Post by **champy** » Thu May 27, 2004 9:17 pm

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... highlight=

i found it in my favourites

XPTE · Post by **XPTE** » Thu May 27, 2004 9:37 pm

Ah thanks. I will try another 67 or two first though to see if they are able to successfully run at 125mph without the auto emergency brakes being applied. Otherwise I'll have to supply a replacement ENG file for the trains with the activity.

By the way, do trains in real life have their emergency brakes auto applied if you just slightly nudge over the max speed? Seems a bit silly, as it can be all too easy to just go over the max engine speed.

XPTE · Post by **XPTE** » Thu May 27, 2004 10:01 pm

Hmmm... just downloaded 67001. Had a look at the ENG file, and it also is due for the emergency brakes to be auto applied at 74mph.

I could just use a Class 47 instead I suppose. But then again, there are lots of Class 47 activities and hardly any Class 67 activites. So it'd be good to use a 67.

I notice that you're the author of the 67004 Champy. Though it says that Steven Weller is the original model author.So if I'm to upload an activity with a replacement ENG file, do I need to ask yours or Steven's permission?

XPTE · Post by **XPTE** » Thu May 27, 2004 11:56 pm

Go into the .eng file and look for the following line:-

MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnOverspeed( 74 )

It should look something like this (this is from the dash 9 and will activate the brakes if you pass 74mph)

Change it to this:-

MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnOverspeed( 126 )

You can now run at 125mph

Tried the above. Still gets cut off at 74mph.

ianmacmillan · Post by **ianmacmillan** » Fri May 28, 2004 2:09 am

Look for this bit...........

OverspeedMonitor(
MonitoringDeviceMonitorTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeLimit( 5 )
MonitoringDevicePenaltyTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceCriticalLevel( 151 )
MonitoringDeviceResetLevel( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesFullBrake( 1 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake( 1 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesCutsPower( 1 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesShutsDownEngine( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnTrackOverspeed( 1 )
MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnTrackOverspeedMargin( 2 )
MonitoringDeviceResetOnZeroSpeed( 1 )
MonitoringDeviceResetOnResetButton( 0 )
)

And delete the lot!

boeing126 · Post by **boeing126** » Fri May 28, 2004 5:51 am

Could,nt you just use the gp38 cab?If i remember rightly if you use the dash9 cab in a consist and you exceed the 74m.p.h.then the engine will hold the speed down to 75\76 m.p.h.But if you use the dash9 cab aliased to another engine the penalty break cuts in and stops the train.So useing the gp38 cab would solve the problem.

hillsborokinema · Post by **hillsborokinema** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:15 am

To my knowledge there are no locomotives which trip out at any given maximum speed. Speed governors are fitted in certain cases which will prevent certain excesses on speed particularly in the case of EMUs and DMUs. The class 91s are fitted with a system whereby the driver selects the speed and the locomotive keeps to it. Personally, I find the speed trip one of the most irritating and unrealistic aspects of MSTS, but others may feel differently.
James

boeing126 · Post by **boeing126** » Fri May 28, 2004 8:24 am

I know what you are saying James but I am talking about msts and not the real thing and anyway the engine i am talking about is american.the problem that the original poster decribes has happened to me when the speed exceeds seventy four m.p.h.The penalty break cuts in at about seventy eight m.p.h and stops the train.

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Fri May 28, 2004 8:31 am

I would try changing it for....
OverspeedMonitor(
MonitoringDeviceMonitorTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeLimit( 5 )
MonitoringDevicePenaltyTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceCriticalLevel( 151 )
MonitoringDeviceResetLevel( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesFullBrake( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesCutsPower( 1 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesShutsDownEngine( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnTrackOverspeed( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnTrackOverspeedMargin( 2 )
MonitoringDeviceResetOnZeroSpeed( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceResetOnResetButton( 0 )
)

That should just cut power and not apply the brakes, and also as soon as the speed drops below the level it should let you reapply power.

boeing126 · Post by **boeing126** » Fri May 28, 2004 8:39 am

What i did Dave was to change the cab to the gp38 but it might be that the original poster wants to stick to the dash9.I dont mind what cab i use as long as it has a nice masculine whistle.

and i,m getting clever these days coz if i get an engine with an hollow sounding girlie type whistle I alter it to a baritone hooter.

champy · Post by **champy** » Fri May 28, 2004 4:20 pm

stephens i guess i only repainted it

jon

ianmacmillan · Post by **ianmacmillan** » Fri May 28, 2004 6:48 pm

The cab has no effect on the overspeed monitor.
The acela simply has the ability to display a warning.

ash888 · Post by **ash888** » Fri May 28, 2004 9:16 pm

I have my eng file set up like this:

OverspeedMonitor(
MonitoringDeviceMonitorTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeLimit( 10 )
MonitoringDevicePenaltyTimeLimit( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceCriticalLevel( 999 )
MonitoringDeviceResetLevel( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesFullBrake( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesCutsPower( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceAppliesShutsDownEngine( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnTrackOverspeed( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceTriggerOnTrackOverspeedMargin( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceResetOnZeroSpeed( 0 )
MonitoringDeviceResetOnResetButton( 0 )
)

That way you will have no problems with that annoying penalty brake then

. Just remember to switch all other's to 0 apart from the one's listed from my eng file sample above

. It works everytime on my trains with no error's and no annoying brake either

. I hope this helps

.

cheers

Yuri