Undeeground Bomb attack

johncas · Post by **johncas** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:44 pm

After the teroist attack on the Moscow Undrground
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3464545.stm
Some people have stoped using the London Underground fearing an attack there is that not takeing it a bit to far I still use the London Underground

alex2008 · Post by **alex2008** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 2:42 pm

Thatâ€™s just stupid to not use the Tube because of that! A terrorist could target the bus that they travel on instead, or maybe they will take the car, and there is a higher chance of dieing in a road crash than being in a terrorist attack in the UK. That sort of mentality makes me sick, stupid stupid people! They have the brainpower of a cow and it drives me round the bend, they deserve to die its Darwinâ€™s selection process.

Im sorry that I am always getting 'uppity' on my posts but there have been a few issues that on here that I feel strongly about, my condolences go to the families and friends of those who died.

johncas · Post by **johncas** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 3:14 pm

I aggree with you it's just people see about the attack ot TV and thats what makes then not use the LUL

johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:30 pm

They've been watchng TV disaster programmes and felt it was better to be blown up in fresh air rather than drown in a tunnel

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:37 pm

I disagree with you alex2008. I disagree with the Darwin's selection process part of your post.

Think what you will of this, but I am a Christian. A true one at that. Therefore, I believe that whatever God has intended for you, there is not an awful lot you can do to avoid it. If he has you marked for an early death, then that is that.

Don't ask me to explain my opinion, as I probably won't be able to answer you.

yorkie2k · Post by **yorkie2k** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 12:40 am

well said alex2008.

jjules, no offence but that's laughable, no wonder you can't explain it.

My destiny is in my own hands, not some imaginary being that has marked my date of death

ca55ie · Post by **ca55ie** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:09 am

Now people have been scared to use the tube all over the world - they've done exactly what they were out to do it for - to cause terror, and they've done that, the people on that carridge and everyone else who watched the news on TV will will be too scared to travel by train again, Oh and jjules - stand by your beliefs

Cheers,

Sam

nwallace · Post by **nwallace** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 10:52 am

My view:
Religion - The result of early attempts to explain why we are here.

Darwins theory adapted:

If drinking alcohol kills rain cells,
and if natural selection is in progress,
then surley when you drink you kill off all the . brain cells.

Back to topic.

Did the same happen when the Tokyo Underground was attacked?
Or is this just heightened paranoia because of the supposed greater terrorist risk. I reckon the latter

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 1:34 pm

yorkie2k wrote:well said alex2008.

jjules, no offence but that's laughable, no wonder you can't explain it.

My destiny is in my own hands, not some imaginary being that has marked my date of death

I see you are still about on the forums then...

God has put you here for some reason. If he has you marked in his books, so to speak, for a death by full-on collision (or whatever) by a 125MPH 43, then that is that. Think what you will of this, but I'd be happy to be terminated by a 43 (have a guess as to why), especially if it were a FGW one. Why? Well, I'd be up at heaven with all the believers, and I'd be able to leave the non-believers to do what they want, eventually ending up where they ought to be.

I used to enjoy being the master of my own life. Living the student life was all I wanted to do when I got to university in September. Being a Christian wasn't on my mind at all. A few weeks later, I met my best friend James, who has been a Christian for at least 4 years. I later got to know the other Christians in my block, just across the corridor from me.

Basically, to avoid posting a life history since September, I got into finding out a lot about Christianity in the last few weeks. Last week was the university's Christian Union's Mission Week. At the start of this week, I was still into student life, and decided I would go to as many of the lunchtime talks and evening events as possible. I attended both on the first day. Later, after much lengthy discussion and stalling for time, I decided I was ready for asking Jesus into my life, asking him to forgive me for my many sins.

Later on, I really felt good about doing so, and have been loving life as a result. I have had two days where I felt I was being tested, but I got through the days OK (I went back to my old life nearly for a few hours, which relieved the anger I felt at the time, but soon reverted back to my new life).

Why is any of this relevant? God is not imaginary. All powerful? Yes. All knowing? Yes. Imaginary? Not a chance.

duncharris · Post by **duncharris** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:05 pm

jjules wrote:
yorkie2k wrote:well said alex2008.

jjules, no offence but that's laughable, no wonder you can't explain it.

My destiny is in my own hands, not some imaginary being that has marked my date of death
I see you are still about on the forums then...

God has put you here for some reason. If he has you marked in his books, so to speak, for a death by full-on collision (or whatever) by a 125MPH 43, then that is that. Think what you will of this, but I'd be happy to be terminated by a 43 (have a guess as to why), especially if it were a FGW one. Why? Well, I'd be up at heaven with all the believers, and I'd be able to leave the non-believers to do what they want, eventually ending up where they ought to be.

I used to enjoy being the master of my own life. Living the student life was all I wanted to do when I got to university in September. Being a Christian wasn't on my mind at all. A few weeks later, I met my best friend James, who has been a Christian for at least 4 years. I later got to know the other Christians in my block, just across the corridor from me.

Basically, to avoid posting a life history since September, I got into finding out a lot about Christianity in the last few weeks. Last week was the university's Christian Union's Mission Week. At the start of this week, I was still into student life, and decided I would go to as many of the lunchtime talks and evening events as possible. I attended both on the first day. Later, after much lengthy discussion and stalling for time, I decided I was ready for asking Jesus into my life, asking him to forgive me for my many sins.

Later on, I really felt good about doing so, and have been loving life as a result. I have had two days where I felt I was being tested, but I got through the days OK (I went back to my old life nearly for a few hours, which relieved the anger I felt at the time, but soon reverted back to my new life).

Why is any of this relevant? God is not imaginary. All powerful? Yes. All knowing? Yes. Imaginary? Not a chance.

God is not imaginary. God is a meme.

On the other hand you are not the master of your own destiny; there is a huge role of chance to play. Tomorrow you might get cancer, but then again you might not. Learn about chaos theory. You can alter the chances of that by dosing yourself with X-rays however. You can alter the chances of extending your life, but ultimately you will lose.

This idea of fate is quite prevalent in Islam. Chance is often misunderstood (why else do people play the lottery?), and religion which excludes chance if appealing. That you say God exists "without a chance" shows that you have a basic misunderstanding of this.

Chance could be the mechanism in which a supernatural entity might exert influence. However there is no evidence that this influence is exerted, not even any indirect evidence.

You can't possibly know whether the supernatural exists because you cannot present a testable, falsifiable hypothesis that it does.

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:22 pm

Try reading Revelations in the Bible.

It is difficult to prove it exists, but then we don't need scientific evidence.

I'd rather believe it exists and so forth than be a non-believer and go to hell.

I mis-worded my last comment there. Perhaps it should sound like this: 'Imaginary? I don't think so.'

GeorgeJacksonChurchward · Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:25 pm

I never use LTU.

Christopher125 · Post by **Christopher125** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:53 pm

Hi

I'm a non believer, but as god says that any sin can be forgiven, even ignorance, then I'm happy. If I die and go to heaven then it will be a nice surprise, if I don't then its hardly worth worrying about, I'm not going to know beforehand anyway. (Although if there isn't a god I do feel sorry for those who die expecting to go to an afterlife, but dont find one.)
JJules, those emotions of feeling happy and content after letting Jesus into your life are the real reason why many relgions exist. People have sought ways for thousand of years to feel better (or to gain power in the case of kings etc) about their life. It is this reason why I'm not angered by religious people (even though some are very arrogant in the way they describe science, but that's another story...), as religion is making them feel better and/or more 'complete' (but don't quote me on that!). Just to bore you even more to death, the reason why I'm not religious is that when my sister took her own life 4 years ago, I asked myself, do I want to even consider worshipping or even believing in a God who is happy to let my sister become so unhappy that she decides to kill herself? And I thought No.

I hope that noone finds what I have written offensive, they are purely my own views, and I hope I am not attacked for having them.
(A bit off topic for the Moscow bomb isn't it

)

Chris

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:26 pm

These feelings come from the re-birth (spiritually) of myself. I am VERY different now, not needing to do some of the stuff that became a daily routine for some months, having a different approach to everything...

I will not criticise you for having your opinions. God knows I had similar views in some ways PC. If you do not want to believe, that is up to you, and I will not attempt to force you into something like this.

I believe that there is a God, although his ways of working can seem mysterious sometimes (I know this purely because I nearly told him to stuff it yesterday over something that angered me). I also believe that there is eternal life for us Christians after our time down here.

May I ask if your sister was religious at all?

To refer back to your comment on being attacked because of your views. Well, I won't do so, because everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Christopher125 · Post by **Christopher125** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:54 pm

Hi

No my sister was not religious ( I can see what you are getting at a mile off...), however it is not her fault that she didn't, and I don't believe it would have made a ounce of difference. However I don't and almost certainly never will know what aused her to take her own life, their is not even evidence that she did it deliberately, just one week she never came home, and after a week of searching, she was found floating in Freshwater Bay. The Police believes she jumped from Wightways, but there's no way of knowing. That's the hardest thing, I don't know what happened or why she decided to do it. Forgetting her though is the what really wrenches at you, you are afraid of forgeting every holiday together etc. Saying this out does help though, as I have have only cried twice over her death, which can really muck yourself up. (If you ever lose someone, cry as much as possible, as you'll feel better for it.)

Chris