trains stuck to track

broads2 · Post by **broads2** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:32 pm

southeastern trains (networkrail)
ramsgate this morning no trains all stuck frozen to the tracks
same at dover
all passengers had to go by bus to favenham which is no mean feat in the weather condition this morning
also last night passengers from maidstone to bearstead were stuck from 9.30 pm till nearly 3.am
does the service get any better i wonder
bring back the steam trains

thedarkness · Post by **thedarkness** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 10:59 pm

No mate.
You have played right into the hands of South Eastern trains by believeing, and passing on, their excuse.
It was actually due to their new plastic trains refusing to work in the snow.
If you don't believe me then try this line of thinking.
All of South Eastern trains 411 fleet are based at Ramsgate, yet every one of these units were in active service yesterday, so why weren't they stuck to the tracks like the rest of the trains?
You can ask any experienced railway person, and they'll all tell you trains don't get frozen to the rails.
For the non southern / technical people, 411's are slam doors trains, known as 'CEPs'
All of South Eastern trains slam door fleet was in action yesterday...

salopiangrowler · Post by **salopiangrowler** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:52 am

Im not an experienced railway worker and I know trains never get stuck on the track. Well unless you were involved in the channel tunnel fire which destroyed a few wagons and a loco and got welded to the track.

nwallace · Post by **nwallace** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 9:54 am

Thoguht that was a bit weird..... Surley nothing short of welding the wheels to the track would stop a bit of juice to the motors freeing it... even if it was only to get lots of wheel slip.

Funny excuse though.

In fact.... if the trains are "stuck" to the track down there... how come Scotrail manage to run winter services on the far north.. and other northern lines. Or even... How the hell do the scandanavian railways run?

broads2 · Post by **broads2** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:06 pm

well i thought that
but it seems the snow froze the wheels to the track
they had to de ice them first
but is there any electic current running through the rail (not the third rail of course)

nwallace · Post by **nwallace** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:28 pm

rikfarish · Post by **rikfarish** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:36 pm

I was led to beleive the problem with the electrostars was the complicated ICU unit, which shuts down the traction unit to prevent interference with the signalling system, however there is a "frosty" subroutine which checks to see if it cold and disables the ICU temporarily, unfortuately it would appear that the subroutine was not enabled in the onboard pc.......

If there are any fitters from SC or SET...NOT SWT, they will probably be able to explain it better.

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 7:44 pm

broads2 wrote:but is there any electic current running through the rail (not the third rail of course)

Obviously, Electricity has to return somehow.

Did you not do science at school?

thedarkness · Post by **thedarkness** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 10:18 pm

Well i wouldn't expect a sensible answer out of a Thameslink bloke, after all, most of their units have wheel flats so bad i sounds like you're actually riding behind a kettle on wheels, doing 16 beats to the bar {chimney wise}
Either way, they weren't stuck to the rails.

rikfarish · Post by **rikfarish** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:22 am

thedarkness wrote:Well i wouldn't expect a sensible answer out of a Thameslink bloke, after all, most of their units have wheel flats so bad i sounds like you're actually riding behind a kettle on wheels, doing 16 beats to the bar {chimney wise}
Either way, they weren't stuck to the rails.

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean its not sensible (apart from being FACT).

southcoasttrains · Post by **southcoasttrains** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:53 pm

One of the 377's has a wheel flat lol.

thedarkness · Post by **thedarkness** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:53 pm

Well it basically agree's with what i wrote