Does anyone know about an Arriva train getting stuck?

yorkie2k · Post by **yorkie2k** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 1:54 pm

I heard the 1729 Leeds-York (via Harrogate) train last Monday (26 Jan) got stuck on the tight turn just before the viaduct between Pannal and Hormbeam Park and it took 15 minutes of revving to get the train unstuck

Anyone know anything about this?

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:47 pm

No. Most surprising to hear that.

Any idea what unit was involved? A 158 perchance?

yorkie2k · Post by **yorkie2k** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:14 pm

That route is mostly operated by Pacers.

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:24 pm

OK, I may love DMUs, sometimes boasting my knowledge of them, but I'm stumped. What the devil are Pacers? 142s? 143s?

cadet200 · Post by **cadet200** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:25 pm

all 14x units

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:32 pm

Aha! That helps.

So Sprinters are 158s and so forth?

simont · Post by **simont** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:48 pm

Yeah, Sprinters are all the 15x series.

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:51 pm

OK. Excellent!

I'm on a massive high now. Look for a thread I'm about to post in about 5 minutes.

chriscooper · Post by **chriscooper** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:07 pm

Techically a 150 or 153 is a Sprinter, a 156 is a Super Sprinter and a 158 is a Sprinter Express, although really it refers to anything in the 15X range. They all have high acceleration and braking (relative to what they were replacing) and low weight, with some sections of track having higher speed restrictions for them (SP on the sign). I've never been quite sure what "sprinter" in that sence referes to though, as in many cases 14X (Pacers) and 17X units are used alongside 15X units (and often in multiple with them). Perhaps someone can clafify that, and maybe what "HST" means in the same sence (I know Voyagers come under that, with HST differential boards being put up on the XC line, and I'm almost sure 180s do, but I'm not sure about Mk3 and Mk4 push pull sets and other Multiple Units). When it comes to different 2nd Generation 1XX DMU types their are also compatability issues, with 15X types being able to work with 14X and 17X types (with compatable couplers) but 17Xs and 14X can't work together. 16Xs are only compatable with other 16Xs (even the appatently ideantical 168s and 170s can't work in multiple).
On the subject of the post, its not suprising that a Pacer would get stuck in poor adheasion conditions due to the 4 wheel, none steering axle configuration which due to the very long wheel base causes a lot of friction on tight corners (hence the terrible screeching when going around tight corners on one). You have to remember they are basically bus bodies on a freight wagon underframe with a bus engine, and originally a bus gearbox aswell. You can really see why companies rushed to replace the 1st generation units but kept the Pacers, I mean given the choice between a Pacer from Manchester to Marple or a 101, or a Pacer from Leeds to Skipton (then onwards up the S&C) or a 308, I bet I know what most people would choose.

TOMMO79 · Post by **TOMMO79** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:13 pm

When I lived in Grosmont pacers used to get stuck on the station curve for anything upto 20 minutes. It took lots of revving and squealing wheels to get them on their way again, sometimes the drivers had to reverse and take a run up. I think they installed flange greasers in the end when the residents complained.

Stooopidperson · Post by **Stooopidperson** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:24 am

chriscooper wrote:Techically a 150 or 153 is a Sprinter

I thought 153s were called Super Bubbles! And the 155 were Sprinters!
Doesn't HST mean High Speed Train?

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:33 am

Of course. I thought that was blindingly obvious.

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:47 pm

jjules wrote:OK, I may love DMUs, sometimes boasting my knowledge of them, but I'm stumped

Possibly prematurely then ? (If your ATP-E comment was anything go by, you're not entirely up on EMU's either)

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:53 pm

Nope, EMUs aren't my thing, bar the 390, which I'm still to go on.

I learnt my lesson about boasting my knowledge of DMUs a little while ago, this thread being a shining example to how much I've still to learn.

buffy500 · Post by **buffy500** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:53 pm

jjules wrote:Nope, EMUs aren't my thing, bar the 390, which I'm still to go on.

I learnt my lesson about boasting my knowledge of DMUs a little while ago, this thread being a shining example to how much I've still to learn.

Indeed.

I would say that openly boasting about knowledge on a subject is really likely to set yourself up for a fall. (And then in the same line saying you don't know what is being talked about just makes the mickey taking far to easy).
On the subject of not knowing things, did I ever mention what a valuble tool Google is ?

(For instance, search google using just the words 'pacer' 'dmu', and you find the top hit being a page which contains photos of 144's which would have been a good starting point.)