101s Scrapped?

kyle14uk · Post by **kyle14uk** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:21 pm

Looking at Longsight Depots sidings last night on the way back from the City Centre it appears most of the 101s have disappeared bar a few units. Anyone know where these have gone - possibly scrap?

allypally · Post by **allypally** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:45 pm

i believe so, they ran their end of service tour a littlw hile ago, or in a week or so, im not sure which

ca55ie · Post by **ca55ie** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 8:56 pm

i think they ended on christmas day, and all i know is that one 101 is going to preservation at the NNR

Post by **martinhodgson** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 1:14 am

ca55ie wrote:i think they ended on christmas day

Christmas Eve

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 1:33 am

ca55ie wrote:and all i know is that one 101 is going to preservation at the NNR

Incorrect, a 101 withdrawn in 2001 has indeed gone to the NNR, not one of the last 3. 'Daisy' though is rumoured to become one of tha national collection, a place it deserves in my opinion.

David

kyle14uk · Post by **kyle14uk** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:55 pm

Yeah I knew they had there farewell trip but I would of presumed FNW were keeping them in store at Longsight should any situation arise when they are needed. Just like when the 37s carried on a while on the North Wales line despite having had a 'farewell' trip.

slipdigby · Post by **slipdigby** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:12 pm

kyle14uk wrote:Yeah I knew they had there farewell trip but I would of presumed FNW were keeping them in store at Longsight should any situation arise when they are needed. Just like when the 37s carried on a while on the North Wales line despite having had a 'farewell' trip.

Apparently there was a HSE safety mafia diktat that says that as of 23 hours and 16 ish minutes ago, the halon fire extinguishers used on the 101's are unnacceptable, hence their withdrawal and non operation past new year.

Slip

thedarkness · Post by **thedarkness** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 12:14 am

1. Halon fire extinguishers have been illegal for years.
2. The East Kent trailway has just brought a 101. If you like 101's come down to the East Kent, have a look at that, then have a look at a proper train, an EPB

http://www.epbpg.co.uk

thedarkness · Post by **thedarkness** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 12:15 am

Their scrapping them in Wales i think

slipdigby · Post by **slipdigby** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:18 am

thedarkness wrote:1. Halon fire extinguishers have been illegal for years.

Incorrect.

http://tinyurl.com/26jqr

"Virgin halons cannot be used for refilling existing fire protection systems. Recovered, recycled or reclaimed halons may only be used in existing fire protection systems until 31st December 2002. After this date systems cannot be refilled.

Mandatory decommissioning of fire protection systems and fire extinguishers containing halons must be carried out and completed before 31st December 2003.

The only exemption to the above is the use of halons in a limited number of â€œcritical usesâ€

thedarkness · Post by **thedarkness** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:25 am

My understanding is, that if you have to use a Halon, then you shouldn't be there in the first place.
All the southern units had them converted years ago.

jdjonny · Post by **jdjonny** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 8:59 am

kyle14uk wrote:Yeah I knew they had there farewell trip but I would of presumed FNW were keeping them in store at Longsight should any situation arise when they are needed. Just like when the 37s carried on a while on the North Wales line despite having had a 'farewell' trip.

Like the VXC HST sets which Virgin have to keep on hiring back

Except, unlike FNW or whoever was operating the 101s, the last HST working was a service train, and therefore you didnt have to order a special ticket or anything.

JDJonny

nwallace · Post by **nwallace** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:39 pm

1. Halon fire extinguishers have been illegal for years.

This ones going on everywhere isn't it...

Halon Extinguishers were banned from motorsport at the start of last season (2003) replaced with Foam extinguishers until a halon replacement gas was avalaible in competition form (which i think they are now)

Problem with AAF is that while it is better than dry powder in that it won't suffocate driver/co-driver when set off in the cabin as soon as yuo set fire to soemthing out side of the car.. for example grass often very close to a big forest they are pants.

Particular incident of note on Granite city in one of the forests an oil fire started in a car, car pulls to side and sets grass on fire. try to put fire out with foam extinguisher doesn't work, driver falls into fire while trying to put it out... yes really.

Next car is still carrying halon extinguisher which had the fire out before the stage fire trucks got there.

If the halon extinguishers were illegal then the cars carrying them should not have passed through scruitineering. You can not buy halon extinguishers anymore, you can not get them refilled any more. and while they were still legal to use on the 31st of December i am pretty sure they are illegal now.

The Argument goes, whats gonig to cause more damage, a car/train/bus burning out its self and possibly other vehicles or surrounding coutnryside if the foam extinguishers dont' put the fires out or a small release of Halon that does its job?

Hymek · Post by **Hymek** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 1:56 pm

Halon was banned on trains from 1st jan this year, due to the risk of being set off and people being choked by it and so forth. hence why the 101s cannot be used

To replace the system would cost about Â£2,500 pounds (im not sure if that is for each engine or each car)

slipdigby · Post by **slipdigby** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 2:46 pm

Hymek wrote:Halon was banned on trains from 1st jan this year, due to the risk of being set off and people being choked by it and so forth. hence why the 101s cannot be used

I believe the actual EU directive 2000/2037 (not HSE as I previously incorrectly stated) was to remove the Halon fire extinguishers because of the effect they have on ozone depletion, rather than any effect they have on people in the passenger compartment. Halon in a concentration of about 5% (Sufficient for putting out a fire) is not specifically toxic to humans for any short duration.

http://tinyurl.com/22kqu

To replace the system would cost about Â£2,500 pounds (im not sure if that is for each engine or each car)

Per car, AFAIK.

Slip