Flying Scotsman is it for sale or not

[nwallace]

Trouble is, all these locos owners run their locos at a lose

Which unfortunatley just like in football jsut doesn't make sense.

It woudl be a great shame for the loco to leave the country though

[johncarr]

A local newspaper here in York has stated that Andrew Scott, Head of the National Railway Museum, is keeping a very close eye on the situation regarding the sale of Flying Scotsman and would welcome it coming to the NRM.

John Carr

[Jontan]

What!? The Japs and Americans want the famous Scotsman??? In a shopping mall where some teen punks could spray grafitti all over it!!!??? I will say this: :bad-words: The Scotsman is a British engineering feat and should remain in it's home country!

/Jonatan

[johncas]

Good news they just need a lottery grant I remember hearing there is something you can do to stop national tresures or things that should belong to the nation or stay in the UK leaving the country there is also the Lottery heritage fund and why cant the goverment step in and make sure it stays in the uk a US Shopping Centre or Theme Park is the wrong place for this loco


Well in the end MSTS might be the only place to see flying scotsman on uk tracks by the way micosoft must of paid a bit of money to hire the loco for the makeing of MSTS 1 to get cab views and record sounds

Even better if a heritage railway got a grant to buy the loco then we could pay our fare to travel on it and it woud be kept in working condidion.

Why should this loco cost no more to run than say the GCR's Black Five or the west somerset railway's Mannor class loco or any other heritage railway's steam locos

[thenudehamster]

I suppose it depends very much on who buys the Scotsaman as to what will happen to it. I am a little disconcerted about the very low expectations some of the contributors have of overseas buyers. The Japanese I can't speak for, but certainly not every North American buyer would want to 'place it in a shopping mall'.
Not every American is the jingoistic "american is always greatest" status-conscious, buck-chasing Madison Avenue caricature many Brits think of. The 'National Railroad Museum' (a private, non-profit enterprise, despite its name) in Green Bay, Winsconsin, already owns the Gresley A4 'Dwight D. Eisenhower' which they purchased from BR at the end of its service. It is tastefully displayed in a museum hall, along with Eisenhower's wartime Staff Train (and yes, it has an explanation that the two never actually ran together) next to one of the two remaining UP BigBoys. They also have, in their railway histories section, an acknowledgement of Scotsman as the first authenticated 100mph steam loco, despite the prior claims of 'City of Truro' and the unlikely NYC Hudson. It's possible that with sufficient support and encouragement, this NRM may be willing to look at the possibility of purchase.
I agree that if at all possible, the Scotsman should remain in the UK, and it should be maintained in running order, but unless someone with the wherewithal of Bill Gates comes along and is willing to spend the sum necessary to do this, we have to face the reality that it may finish up as a static display, and not in Britain. Even so, better that fate than find it sold for scrap as the only means of the bank recovering their loss. Like it or not, this is a commercial situation, and commercial priorities are going to apply. Personally, I think Barclays should support the Scotsman rather than League football, but that's because I'm not a footer fan. If there's no money in it, Barclays are not going to write off the loan just for goodwill.
You may think differently.

[60085]

The amercains will wreck the loco

Or worse... stick a cow catcher and a f$%£ing bell on it !!!

[GavinW]

I suppose it depends very much on who buys the Scotsaman as to what will happen to it. I am a little disconcerted about the very low expectations some of the contributors have of overseas buyers. The Japanese I can't speak for, but certainly not every North American buyer would want to 'place it in a shopping mall'.
Not every American is the jingoistic "american is always greatest" status-conscious, buck-chasing Madison Avenue caricature many Brits think of. The 'National Railroad Museum' (a private, non-profit enterprise, despite its name) in Green Bay, Winsconsin, already owns the Gresley A4 'Dwight D. Eisenhower' which they purchased from BR at the end of its service. It is tastefully displayed in a museum hall, along with Eisenhower's wartime Staff Train (and yes, it has an explanation that the two never actually ran together) next to one of the two remaining UP BigBoys. They also have, in their railway histories section, an acknowledgement of Scotsman as the first authenticated 100mph steam loco, despite the prior claims of 'City of Truro' and the unlikely NYC Hudson. It's possible that with sufficient support and encouragement, this NRM may be willing to look at the possibility of purchase.
I agree that if at all possible, the Scotsman should remain in the UK, and it should be maintained in running order, but unless someone with the wherewithal of Bill Gates comes along and is willing to spend the sum necessary to do this, we have to face the reality that it may finish up as a static display, and not in Britain. Even so, better that fate than find it sold for scrap as the only means of the bank recovering their loss. Like it or not, this is a commercial situation, and commercial priorities are going to apply. Personally, I think Barclays should support the Scotsman rather than League football, but that's because I'm not a footer fan. If there's no money in it, Barclays are not going to write off the loan just for goodwill.
You may think differently.

Couple of things.............The A4 was donated to the American People by British Railways as a token of thanks for their help in WW2 and was not bought by them and there are about 6 Big Boys preserved as static locos in the US

[martinhodgson]

The amercains will wreck the loco

Or worse... stick a cow catcher and a f$%£ing bell on it !!!

They already have done once

[NZBigDave]

The amercains will wreck the loco

Or worse... stick a cow catcher and a f$%£ing bell on it !!!

They already have done once

Yeah, did you see what they did to 926 Repton?

[Christopher125]

I suppose it depends very much on who buys the Scotsaman as to what will happen to it. I am a little disconcerted about the very low expectations some of the contributors have of overseas buyers. The Japanese I can't speak for, but certainly not every North American buyer would want to 'place it in a shopping mall'.
Not every American is the jingoistic "american is always greatest" status-conscious, buck-chasing Madison Avenue caricature many Brits think of. The 'National Railroad Museum' (a private, non-profit enterprise, despite its name) in Green Bay, Winsconsin, already owns the Gresley A4 'Dwight D. Eisenhower' which they purchased from BR at the end of its service. It is tastefully displayed in a museum hall, along with Eisenhower's wartime Staff Train (and yes, it has an explanation that the two never actually ran together) next to one of the two remaining UP BigBoys. They also have, in their railway histories section, an acknowledgement of Scotsman as the first authenticated 100mph steam loco, despite the prior claims of 'City of Truro' and the unlikely NYC Hudson. It's possible that with sufficient support and encouragement, this NRM may be willing to look at the possibility of purchase.
I agree that if at all possible, the Scotsman should remain in the UK, and it should be maintained in running order, but unless someone with the wherewithal of Bill Gates comes along and is willing to spend the sum necessary to do this, we have to face the reality that it may finish up as a static display, and not in Britain. Even so, better that fate than find it sold for scrap as the only means of the bank recovering their loss. Like it or not, this is a commercial situation, and commercial priorities are going to apply. Personally, I think Barclays should support the Scotsman rather than League football, but that's because I'm not a footer fan. If there's no money in it, Barclays are not going to write off the loan just for goodwill.
You may think differently.

Thats precisely the point - While they have (recently) put it in a enclosed hall, it had been sitting outside rusting away, with a incorrect livery, for years, because most americans just dont undertsnad what a A4 is. And you've also shown how the musueum has quietly forgotten about their terrier, just because it is not seen as important as the A4 (another prime candigate for repatriation?),

Chris

[eddief]

Thats precisely the point - While they have (recently) put it in a enclosed hall, it had been sitting outside rusting away, with a incorrect livery, for years, because most americans just dont undertsnad what a A4 is. And you've also shown how the musueum has quietly forgotten about their terrier, just because it is not seen as important as the A4 (another prime candigate for repatriation?),

How about we swap the 2 A4's (Dwight D. and Dominion of Canada) and the Terrier for some of these S160's (the yankee 2-8-0's that are on tons of lines) fair swap if you ask me .

[rwaceyw]

An' while were at it, bring back Dunrobin!

David

[GatExp]

Hallelujah and Praise the Lord for preserved steam locomotives!

I have just watched an ex GWR Castle with about 10 on, hammering (literally) through my local station at 50 mph - all smoke, steam and whistles.

Thanks are due to ALL involved in preservation - whatever the fuel. From the owners right down to the lowliest buffer polisher.

Flying Scotsman must never leave the country.

Lobby your MP now.

[trainfreakchris]

the yanks will wreck it they change it so much that they will make it in to a one of those armican tank rubbish

[jimmyladd]

Although Mr Marchington has been declared bankrupt he dose not own the loco. It is owned by flyingscotsman ltd who are at the moment half a million in debt. They have not put the engine up for sale yet because they have not decided on there corse of action