Virgins New Trains

Stooopidperson · Post by **Stooopidperson** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:23 am

chriscooper wrote:I've not been one a Pendolino yet and am not looking forward to it.

The Pendolinos are much better, looking at interior pictures compared to the Voyager.

mattvince · Post by **mattvince** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 10:45 am

Pendolino is much better than Voyager, it's very nice inside, they are much quieter, smoother and more comfortable. Overall, they are what Voyager should have been.

petermakosch · Post by **petermakosch** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:37 pm

the Pendilino is much Quieter than a Voyager because its electric!

YOU CANNOT COMPARE A DUM TO AN EMU!

If so, then lets say this: Compare a Class 150/2 or 153 to a Desero. You cant because they are two different types of train!

Stooopidperson · Post by **Stooopidperson** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:29 pm

petermakosch wrote:YOU CANNOT COMPARE A DUM TO AN EMU!

Then let's compare DEMUs to EMUs!

It could be quiter if the engines were moved away, like at the ends like the HST. But that wouldn't make it a mutiple unit anymore. Or the ycould pad the engines properly.

mattvince · Post by **mattvince** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:52 pm

Pendolinos are quieter, not because they are electric (we're ignoring engine noise here), but because the only noise you hear is the air-conditioning (turning on/off over neutral sections). In a Voyager you are subjected to various indescribable bleeps and buzzes, most noticably the dynamic brakes when slowing. Having sampled an Adelante recently, the 180 is quieter and smoother than Voyager, the only intrusion being the noisy air-conditioning. Now, if only they could fix the high-speed ride quality (French bogies you know...). The real test will be Voyager compared to the HST-2.

But the rest of my post stands - the interiors of a 390 are vastly superior to a Voyager. That's why, in my personal opinion. Pendolino is King Of The (WCML) Hill - roll over Mk2/3s. Network Rail - over to you!

philbozz · Post by **philbozz** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:55 pm

ooo goodie...not of that annoying beeping when the brakes go on

I'm quite looking forward to my ride on a Pendolino on Saturday

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 4:25 pm

I don't blame you, they look superb...I can't wait until I get to sample them next year...Such a long wait...

180s quieter?

You haven't sat on them for long then...The announcer with her continuous message after every stop is annoying, and I only had to put up with it 4 times...Then there's the squealing brakes...OMG, to stand on Platform 2 when the 1555 pulls in for the 1630...We've just had new track put in there, those damn 180s had better not squeal now...Some seriously dodgy brakes on them...Always screech when stopping...Imagine one doing 125MPH, then the train doing an emergency stop...NO!

I can't say the Voyagers are better, but I've never had problems with them yet...

nightbeaver911 · Post by **nightbeaver911** » Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:47 pm

In first class you get a like did-de-dum did-de-dum did-de-dum every so often, is that the brakes as well or is that staff contacting each other?