Suicide at kidderminster station

Hymek · Post by **Hymek** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:33 pm

This morning i heard some tragic news about a one unber at kidderminster Mainline Station, from what ive heard apparantley the person stepped out right infront of an incoming train, Although i sympathise heavily with the victims relatives i must frown on the victim because i think doing this is one of the most selfish things you can do, not only will this live with his family and the driver for the rest of their lives it will also scar the many commuters who were on the platforms at the time

meagain · Post by **meagain** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:00 pm

So, would you rather the poor . live with whatever problem they felt was too great for them to bear? They'd only have tried again.

Mattaf · Post by **Mattaf** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:18 pm

meagain wrote:So, would you rather the poor . live with whatever problem they felt was too great for them to bear? They'd only have tried again.

Put yourself in the driver's shoes for a moment. Imagine you were driving a train. Someone stepped out in front of it and you ran them over and killed them. Would you feel the same way?

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rikfarish · Post by **rikfarish** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:32 pm

Hymek wrote:This morning i heard some tragic news about a one unber at kidderminster Mainline Station, from what ive heard apparantley the person stepped out right infront of an incoming train, Although i sympathise heavily with the victims relatives i must frown on the victim because i think doing this is one of the most selfish things you can do, not only will this live with his family and the driver for the rest of their lives it will also scar the many commuters who were on the platforms at the time

My thoughts do go to the victim in this case (and I am not renowned for my sympathy to prospective suiciders) as he did not die instantly, but died whilst the rescue services were trying to get him unjammed from between the snowplough on 150001 and the front bogie.

matrix358 · Post by **matrix358** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:00 pm

ouch

I'm not in touch with the whole suicide thing though - life always get better.

nightbeaver911 · Post by **nightbeaver911** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:32 pm

Mattaf wrote:
meagain wrote:So, would you rather the poor . live with whatever problem they felt was too great for them to bear? They'd only have tried again.
Put yourself in the driver's shoes for a moment. Imagine you were driving a train. Someone stepped out in front of it and you ran them over and killed them. Would you feel the same way?

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I agree with Matt here, but its impossible for any of us to put ourselfs in the drivers shoes as no-one could imagine what its like to live with killing a person, even if it wasnt your fault at all the guilt and the whole experience would scar you for the rest of your life. If you rely want to kill yourself carnt you just overdose or something? I thoughts are with the driver.

Post by **martinhodgson** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:50 pm

I understand what the drivers must be going through, it must be awful. but without wanting to sound disrespectful, if a person is depressed enough to commit suicide in such a nasty way, then the least of their concerns will be the driver - going under a train must be a painful death, and choosing to end it in that way rather then an overdose of an easily available drug wouldnt be a decision taken lightly whatever the circumstances.

tdurbo · Post by **tdurbo** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:57 pm

The poor chap must have been going through the worst possible nightmare to even contemplate it. Selfish? To a point, but then when you're actually in that frame of mind the urge to leave it all behind STILL must be greater than what you know you'll do to your nearest and dearest. For that to be the better alternative, life must be grim.

And for the driver, yes he will have nightmares but he knows in his heart of hearts and his family etc will constantly remind him, that it was, if you like, a hazard of the job. It's not as if he's hit a boy on a bike by accident in a car. I'm not belittling the horrible time he must be having, but for every dead person there's a person who finds them.

But as for a way to go, you'd want to be pretty sure stepping in front of a train is going to be fatal. As he found. And like others above, pills and vodka certainly would make sense. Just put your favourite CD on and just DRIFT IN...TO ...O B L I V I O N......................

jimbob · Post by **jimbob** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:44 am

I for one have to agree with hymek in that I sympathise heavily with the victims relatives but I have no sympanthy with people who do away with themselves in this way as many have said there are other more easy methods & it does affect the drivers in a large way some can never face driving again, its just purely selfish & attention seeking, we regullarly get it happen on the great eastern mainlin normally in the ilford area, they nearly always do it in the evening peak & it affects litterally thousands of people who are trying to get home! My thoughts are with my collegues the train crew, the BTP, ambulance & fire crews who have to get them out & quite often pick up the pieces litterally most times!

alan2 · Post by **alan2** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:39 am

A few years back an old lady did the same thing infront of a class 60 going through Meadowhall station. I will just say that the train was doing about 40-45 miles per hour at the time.

when the train rolled into rotherham the driver was taken ill and he has yet to recover from the incident. He can not drive a train again. So she not only killed herself, she wrecked the life of a train driver, as well as scaring the 50 or so people on the station.

My friend "Jamie" was on the platform at the time, (train spotter) and he worked closely with the old "railfreight distribution", he got me my work experience placement

at a Traction Maintenance Depot. < hence why I know about this.

There is not only the point that someone got killed, they have to find every body part before the line can be re-opened. with this old lady, they found parts near the Tinsley Viaduct which carries the M1. Yes grusome, so they could think of a better way to go.

ForburyLion · Post by **ForburyLion** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:43 am

meagain wrote:So, would you rather the poor . live with whatever problem they felt was too great for them to bear?

I think the argument wasn't whether the person should/shouldn't have killed themselves but whether they should have done so by jumping in front of a train when other methods exist.

Jumping in front of a train and allowing that train to kill you can have an psychological effect on the driver, passengers, bystanders and rescue teams. It can also create a bloody mess and cause rail disrumption.

Taking an overdose will have the same end effect but with less mess.

I would guess those with suicide in mind are not concerned with the after effects of their actions - If they were then they probably wouldn't be considering suicide in the first place.

TomB · Post by **TomB** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:20 pm

Alan H - since the driver could no longer drive, was he just chucked out of his job and have to find another? Or demoted to paperwork / station duties?

alan2 · Post by **alan2** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:31 pm

He went on Medical dismissal as far as I know.

nightbeaver911 · Post by **nightbeaver911** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:40 pm

Its something that it will be pretty much impossible to stop happening, like people who start forests fires, its going to be a part of life for a long time.

jjules · Post by **jjules** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:05 pm

What a way to go though. No disrepect intended here, but that's one thing I hadn't heard of before...I know that if I had been that driver, I would have stopped the train there and then, informing somebody that I could concentrate on driving after that, and stop on the station then. IMO, the most affected person would be the driver.

Like I said, no disrepect to anybody was intended, so if you were offended, please don't go shouting your head off to me.

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