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Can anyone give me a list of builders, when they were built, and when they were withdrawn(if applicable), for all classes of trains(Classes 01 to 508?)? I want to compare the reliablity of the builders.

Class 43 - Dave Babb - No reliability problems whatsoever
Class 47 - Ian Jenkins - No reliability problems whatsoever

ForburyLion wrote:Class 43 - Dave Babb - No reliability problems whatsoever
Class 47 - Ian Jenkins - No reliability problems whatsoever

This is the General Disscussion forum, isn't it... Not the MSTS one...

I,m not sure that reliability was the reason for all withdrawals, the hydraulics were probably very reliable but were considered to be non standard. The 40's were withdrawn years ago but there are still a lot of 37's kicking around and they are both built by EE, simmilar case with peaks and 47's, I think axle weight or power to weight ratio may have been some of the contributing factors to the withdrawal of peaks and 40's (i'm no expert btw) but you have to remember it was BR who decided on the specifications and not the builders

TOMMO79 wrote: but you have to remember it was BR who decided on the specifications and not the builders

But it was still the builders who chose to build them reliable or not...

Stooopidperson wrote:

TOMMO79 wrote: but you have to remember it was BR who decided on the specifications and not the builders

But it was still the builders who chose to build them reliable or not...

It was the amount of money the purchaser wanted to spend, which dicated what materials were used in construction
*cough* 458's *cough* shoe string budget *cough*

So, you're saying in the past, TOCs were very rich?

No, Stoopidperson, in the past there were no TOCs !

BTW do you mean real locos or models?
You should be very careful about saying short lived locos were unreliable. There are a great number of reasons loco classes were withdrawn. For example: no work (Class 14 and 15), too expensive to run (Class 370), non-standard (Class 35), surplus to requirement (Class 04 and 07). Mind you there were outright failures (Class 17, 21, 23, 28 etc). Don't forget, examples of many classes went into industrial use! Besides some had 30 years service, but started earlier (Class 11). Some locos were re-engined, thus extending their life (Class 21, Class 31).

Heres some info:

Class 01 - Barclay; 1956-1981
Class 02 - Yorkshire Engine Co; 1960-1975
Class 03 - BR/Gardner; 1957-
Class 04 - Drewry/Gardner; 1952-1972
Class 05 - Barclay (D2400-2409); 1956-1969
Hunslet (D2550-2618); 1955-1968(1983departmental)
Class 06 - Barclay; 1958-1981
Class 07 - Ruston & Hornsby; 1962-1977
Class 08 - English Electric; 1952-
Class 09 - English Electric; 1959-
Class 10 - BR/Crossley; 1955-
Class 11 - LMS; 1945-1972
Class 12 - SR; 1949-1971
Class 13 - BR/English Electric; 1965-1985
Class 14 - BR; 1964-1969
Class 15 - BTH/Clayton; 1957-1971
Class 16 - North British; 1958-1968
Class 17 - Clayton; 1962-1971
Class 20 - English Electric; 1957-
Class 21 - North British/MAN; 1958-1968
Class 22 - North British/MAN; 1959-1972
Class 23 - English ELectric; 1959-1971(1976departmental)
Class 24 - BR/Sulzer; 1958-1980(1987departmental)
Class 25 - BR/Sulzer; 1961-1987 (1992:Tamworth Castle)
Class 26 - BRC&W/Sulzer; 1958-1993
Class 27 - BRC&W/Sulzer; 1961-1987
Class 28 - Metropolitain Vickers; 1958-1968(1972departmental)
Class 29 - North British/Paxman; 1965-1971
Class 30 - Brush/Mirlees; 1957-1969
Class 31 - Brush/English Electric; 1964-
Class 33 - BRC&W/Sulzer; 1960-
Class 35 - Beyer Peacock/Maybach; 1961-1975
Class 37 - English Electric; 1960-
Class 40 - Englsih Electric; 1958-1985(1988:D200)
Class 41 - North British; 1958-1967
Class 41 - BR/Paxman (HST); 1972-1976(1985departmental)
Class 42 - BR/Maybach; 1958-1972
Class 43 - North British; 1960-1971
Class 43 - BR/Paxman/Mirrlees; 1976-
Class 44 - BR/Sulzer; 1959-1980
Class 45 - BR/Sulzer; 1960-1988 (1990:45106)
Class 46 - BR/Sulzer/Brush; 1961-1984 (46035departmental)
Class 47 - Brush/Sulzer; 1962-
Class 48 - Brush/Sulzer; 1962-1970
Class 50 - English Electric; 1967-1994
Class 52 - BR/Maybach; 1961-1977
Class 53 - Brush (falcon); 1961-1975
Class 55 - English Electric; 1961-1982
Class 56 - BR/Brush; 1977-
Class 57 - Brush; 1998-
Class 58 - BR/Brush; 1983-2001
Class 59 - Gen Motors; 1986-
Class 60 - Brush/Mirrlees; 1989-
Class 66 - Gen Motors; 1998-
Class 67 - Gen Motors (Alstom); 1999-

Class 70 - SR; 1941-1968
Class 71 - BR; 1958-1977
Class 73 - English Electric; 1962-
Class 74 - BR; 1967-1977
Class 76 - LNER/BR; (1943)1950-1981
Class 77 - BR; 1953-1968

Class 80 - Metropolitain Vickers; 1958(AC)-1968
Class 81 - BTH/BRC&W; 1959-1991
Class 82 - Metropolitain Vickers/Beyer Peacock; 1960-1987
Class 83 - Englsih Electric; 1960-1989
Class 84 - General Electric/North British; 1960-1980
Class 85 - BR; 1961-1991
Class 86 - BR; 1965-
Class 87 - BR; 1973-
Class 89 - Brush; 1986-(?)
Class 90 - General Electric; 1987-
Class 91 - General Electric; 1988-
Class 92 - Brush; 1993

I'll do the rest another day.

Class 100 - Gloucester; 1957-1989
Class 101 - MetroCammell/AEC; 1956-
Class 102 - MeteroCammell/Leyland; 1956-
Class 103 - Park Royal; 1957-1983
Class 104 - BRC&W; 1957-1992
Class 105 - Cravens/AEC; 1956 (reengined to 106)
Class 106 - Cravens/Leyland; 1956-1988
Class 107 - BR Derby; 1960-1992
Class 108 - BR Derby; 1958-1993
Class 109 - Wickham; 1957-1971
Class 110 - BRC&W; 1961-1992
Class 111 - MetroCammell/Rolls Royce; 1958-1989
Class 112 - Cravens/Rolls Royce (Mechanical); 1959-1969
Class 113 - Cravens/Rolls Royce (Hydraulic); 1959-1969
Class 114 - BR Derby; 1956-1992
Class 115 - BR Derby; 1960-1994
Class 116 - BR Derby; 1957-1995
Class 117 - Pressed Steel; 1959-2000
Class 118 - BRC&W; 1960-1994
Class 119 - Gloucester RC&W; 1958-1993
Class 120 - BR Swindon; 1957-1989
Class 121 - Pressed Steel; 1960-1999
Class 122 - Gloucester RC&W; 1958-1994
Class 123 - BR Swindon; 1963-1984
Class 124 - BR Swindon; 1960-1984
Class 125 - BR Derby/Rolls Royce; 1958-1977
Class 126 - BR Swindon; 1959-1989
Class 127 - BR Derby/Rolls Royce; 1959-1989
Class 128 - Gloucester RC&W; 1960-1990
Class 129 - Cravens; 1958-1973 (1986departmental Hydra)
Class 140 - BR Derby; 1981-1990
Class 141 - BR Derby/Leyland; 1983-
Class 142 - BREL Derby/Leyland; 1985-
Class 143 - Alexander/Barclay; 1985-
Class 144 - Alexander/BREL; 1986
Class 150 - BREL York; 1985-
Class 151 - MetroCammell; 1985-

We know the other DMUs don't we?
I'll be back soon with the DEMUs and EMUs

So, looking at the list so far, are the Class 485 and 486 the oldest trains, at the Class 483 the oldest in service?
What? Class 102 built by Leyland? Is it another Pacer-like train?

Are you serious or just stoopid?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Zackybong1 wrote:Are you serious or just stoopid?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I meant are the Class 483s the oldest in service. And I mean are Class 102 Pacer type units since they are built by Leyland.

Oh... hang on... I see what you're getting at.

The numbers might need a bit of explaining.

Until the late 1960s, there were no unified method to describe the various types of motive power on British Railways. Each Region had its own way to clarify things.

The Eastern Region (gawd bless 'em) devised a very neat numerical identification code which it applied to diesel locomotives. Under this system a Class 37 would be called "17/3"; the first figures representing the horse power and the last being a code number of the manufacturer. Of course the Western Region had to be different. In true GWR style they were known as the "D66" Class, this relating to the way the locos were numbered eg: D6600.

As a prelude to the computerisation of its rolling stock records, BR set about devising a new classification system for its loco fleet. This appeared in 1968 and was extended in the early 70s to encompass the multiple unit stock. The broad divisions of the numerical classification can be summarized as follows:

01-13................Diesel shunters
14-60................Mainline diesel locos
70-77................DC electric locos
80-91................AC electric locos
97.....................Departmental locos
98.....................Steam locos
100-199.............Diesel hydraulic and diesel mechanical multiple units
201-210.............Dieseal elec multiple units
250-254.............Blue pullman and HST
301-369.............AC multiple units
370....................APT
401-499.............SR DC multiple units
500-508.............Other DC emus
920....................Departmental AC emus
930-935.............Departmental DC emus

The diesel multiple unit range originally extended up to Class 199 as the power cars and trailers were given different numbers. However at the beginning of 1979 the trailers were reclassified as to have the same code as the power car. There were some locos though that did not survive long enough to be included in TOPS (total operations processing system), and its this area that can really fascinate!

The Class 102 looked, and was, for all intents and purposes a Class 101 with a different engine. When reengined they all became the same Class. Sorry.

And as for the 483s. Well, I suppose they are the oldest actually still in service (being built in 1938 and all) but the history of some of the SRs EMUs is a bit shady. Some of the stock was built on to of old units frames (like 4-cor and that sort of thing) so there probably is older stuff floating about (including brake vans and the like).

So when are you going to do the EMU and rest of DMU list?

So when are you going to do the EMU and rest of DMU list?

*Ahem* What I believe Stooop meant to say was "thanks Zackybong, that's a really useful list, it must have taken you ages to compile and type up. I'm really hoping that you'll be able to complete the rest of the DMUs and then go on to the EMUs. Thanks again."