*Ahem* What I believe jp4712 meant to say was "thanks stooopid, for letting me post the above message. I wish you would post more of this so I could post more of my completing post messages. Thanks again."jp4712 wrote:*Ahem* What I believe Stooop meant to say was "thanks Zackybong, that's a really useful list, it must have taken you ages to compile and type up. I'm really hoping that you'll be able to complete the rest of the DMUs and then go on to the EMUs. Thanks again."So when are you going to do the EMU and rest of DMU list?
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You really can be an annoying tw@t can't you ?Stooopidperson wrote:*Ahem* What I believe jp4712 meant to say was "thanks stooopid, for letting me post the above message. I wish you would post more of this so I could post more of my completing post messages. Thanks again."jp4712 wrote:*Ahem* What I believe Stooop meant to say was "thanks Zackybong, that's a really useful list, it must have taken you ages to compile and type up. I'm really hoping that you'll be able to complete the rest of the DMUs and then go on to the EMUs. Thanks again."So when are you going to do the EMU and rest of DMU list?![]()
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Yes, probably...buffy500 wrote:You really can be an annoying tw@t can't you ?Stooopidperson wrote:*Ahem* What I believe jp4712 meant to say was "thanks stooopid, for letting me post the above message. I wish you would post more of this so I could post more of my completing post messages. Thanks again."jp4712 wrote: *Ahem* What I believe Stooop meant to say was "thanks Zackybong, that's a really useful list, it must have taken you ages to compile and type up. I'm really hoping that you'll be able to complete the rest of the DMUs and then go on to the EMUs. Thanks again."![]()
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Okay, I've got a couple of minutes, heres a few more.
Class 153 - Rebuilt Class 155 By Hunslett-Barclay; 1991-
Class 154 - Rebuilt Class 150 (by RTC) in 1984
Class 155 - 155/0 Leyland; 1987
Class 155 - 155/3 Adtranz; 1988
Class 156 - Metro Cammell; 1987
Class 158 - BREL Derby; 1990
Class 159 - BREL Derby; 1992
Class 165 - BREL/ABB; 1990
Class 166 - BREL/ABB; 1992
Class 168 - 168/0 (Networker) Adtranz/Bombardier; 1997
Class 168 - 168/1 (Turbostar) Adtranz/Bombardier; 1997
Class 170 - 170/0 Adtranz 1998
Class 170 - 170/3 Bombardier
Class 175 - Alstom; 1999
Class 180 - Alstom; 2000
Class 201 - (6S)BR Eastleigh; 1957 - 1986
Class 202 - (6L)BR Eastleigh; 1957 - 1990
Class 203 - (6B)BR Eastleigh; 1957 - 1990
Class 204 - (3T)BR Eastleigh; 1979 (from 205/206 later disbanded)
Class 205 - (3H)BR Eastleigh 1958
Class 206 - (3R)BR Eastleigh 1964 (from 205/416)
Class 207 - (3D)BR Eastleigh 1963
Class 210 - BREL; 1981-1988
Class 220 - Bombardier; 2000
Class 221 - Bombardier; 2002
Class 222 - Bombardier; 2004
Class 251 - MetroCammell; 1959-1973
Class 255 - Messed around HST
Class 153 - Rebuilt Class 155 By Hunslett-Barclay; 1991-
Class 154 - Rebuilt Class 150 (by RTC) in 1984
Class 155 - 155/0 Leyland; 1987
Class 155 - 155/3 Adtranz; 1988
Class 156 - Metro Cammell; 1987
Class 158 - BREL Derby; 1990
Class 159 - BREL Derby; 1992
Class 165 - BREL/ABB; 1990
Class 166 - BREL/ABB; 1992
Class 168 - 168/0 (Networker) Adtranz/Bombardier; 1997
Class 168 - 168/1 (Turbostar) Adtranz/Bombardier; 1997
Class 170 - 170/0 Adtranz 1998
Class 170 - 170/3 Bombardier
Class 175 - Alstom; 1999
Class 180 - Alstom; 2000
Class 201 - (6S)BR Eastleigh; 1957 - 1986
Class 202 - (6L)BR Eastleigh; 1957 - 1990
Class 203 - (6B)BR Eastleigh; 1957 - 1990
Class 204 - (3T)BR Eastleigh; 1979 (from 205/206 later disbanded)
Class 205 - (3H)BR Eastleigh 1958
Class 206 - (3R)BR Eastleigh 1964 (from 205/416)
Class 207 - (3D)BR Eastleigh 1963
Class 210 - BREL; 1981-1988
Class 220 - Bombardier; 2000
Class 221 - Bombardier; 2002
Class 222 - Bombardier; 2004
Class 251 - MetroCammell; 1959-1973
Class 255 - Messed around HST
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Class 252 - HST Prototype set; see class 41
Class 253 & 254 HSTs, see Class 43
Class 251: yes, Blue Pullman.
Met-Cam - Metropolitan-Cammell carriage and wagon Co. Ltd. (Birmingham)
Now part of Alstom and slowly going tits up.
Started off as Metropolitan on its own, I think, and then got tied up with Cammell and Vickers. At the end of the war they were making tanks together I believe (Metropolitan Vickers Electrical Co. Ltd. before you ask) and then buses and trains. When making buses the were quite separate companies, Met Vickers making the motors and Met-Cam the bodies.
Its one of the companies I don't know a great deal about. Met-Cam were in Saltly, Met Vickers were in Trafford Park Manchester.
Class 253 & 254 HSTs, see Class 43
Class 251: yes, Blue Pullman.
Met-Cam - Metropolitan-Cammell carriage and wagon Co. Ltd. (Birmingham)
Now part of Alstom and slowly going tits up.
Started off as Metropolitan on its own, I think, and then got tied up with Cammell and Vickers. At the end of the war they were making tanks together I believe (Metropolitan Vickers Electrical Co. Ltd. before you ask) and then buses and trains. When making buses the were quite separate companies, Met Vickers making the motors and Met-Cam the bodies.
Its one of the companies I don't know a great deal about. Met-Cam were in Saltly, Met Vickers were in Trafford Park Manchester.
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Oh hang on...
The story of Metro Cammell dates back to the early 19th Century, when stage coaches transported passengers and mail between London and Birmingham.
London coach builder Joseph Wright rain mail coaches to Birmingham, but realised that the speed and efficiency of his service would soon be overtaken by the railways.
With tremendous foresight, he began building railway carriages at his London works.
Confident of the future of the industry, in 1845, Wright leased land in Saltley, Birmingham, close to the Birmingham and Derby Junction Railway, so he could build a factory --and the story of Metro-Cammell began.
What followed was over 150 years of rolling stock manufacture in Birmingham, as the company maintained its position through innovation and mergers as one of the biggest in the business, surviving two world wars and recession.
In addition to building stock for practically all the home railways, the firm completed contracts for many countries worldwide. It supplied everything from the early crude carriages and basic wagons to luxuriously appointed Pullman cars and massive high capacity tankers. The company was involved in the manufacture of locomotives, as well as steam, diesel and electric railcars and units.
Within five years of beginning production, the Saltley site had expanded massively and Wright was employing a workforce of more than 800 people.
In 1929, Cammell Laird and Co merged its rolling stock interests with Vickers Ltd, who had acquired the shares of the Metropolitan Company, and the great undertaking of Metropolitan-Cammell Ltd was formed.
The Metro-Cammell collection, held by the Birmingham City archives, currently comprises over 100,000 railway rolling stock drawings, 100 photographic albums, rolling stock specifications, catalogues and pamphlets, dating from around 1850 to the mid 20th Century.
Must pop in there some day!!
The story of Metro Cammell dates back to the early 19th Century, when stage coaches transported passengers and mail between London and Birmingham.
London coach builder Joseph Wright rain mail coaches to Birmingham, but realised that the speed and efficiency of his service would soon be overtaken by the railways.
With tremendous foresight, he began building railway carriages at his London works.
Confident of the future of the industry, in 1845, Wright leased land in Saltley, Birmingham, close to the Birmingham and Derby Junction Railway, so he could build a factory --and the story of Metro-Cammell began.
What followed was over 150 years of rolling stock manufacture in Birmingham, as the company maintained its position through innovation and mergers as one of the biggest in the business, surviving two world wars and recession.
In addition to building stock for practically all the home railways, the firm completed contracts for many countries worldwide. It supplied everything from the early crude carriages and basic wagons to luxuriously appointed Pullman cars and massive high capacity tankers. The company was involved in the manufacture of locomotives, as well as steam, diesel and electric railcars and units.
Within five years of beginning production, the Saltley site had expanded massively and Wright was employing a workforce of more than 800 people.
In 1929, Cammell Laird and Co merged its rolling stock interests with Vickers Ltd, who had acquired the shares of the Metropolitan Company, and the great undertaking of Metropolitan-Cammell Ltd was formed.
The Metro-Cammell collection, held by the Birmingham City archives, currently comprises over 100,000 railway rolling stock drawings, 100 photographic albums, rolling stock specifications, catalogues and pamphlets, dating from around 1850 to the mid 20th Century.
Must pop in there some day!!
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Class 302 - BR Eastleigh; 1958-1998 (1 set in store at DERA)
Class 303 - Pressed Steel; 1959-2003
Class 304 - BR Wolverton; 1960-1996
Class 305 - BR York/Doncaster; 1959-2002 (1 set still at DERA)
Class 306 - MetroCammell/BRC&W; 1949-1981 (set 017 used still for specials)
Class 307 - BR Eastleigh; 1956-1993 (some driving units converted for PCVs)
Class 308 - BR York; 1961-2001 (several sets still in store at DERA)
Class 309 - BR York; 1962-2000 (sets still at Astom Eastleigh & DERA Pigs Bay)
Class 310 - BR Derby; 1965-2001
Class 311 - Cravens; 1967-1990
Class 312 - BREL York; 1975-
Class 313 - BREL York; 1976-
Class 314 - BREL York; 1979-
Class 315 - BREL York; 1980-
Class 316 - For experimental use; 1992-1996
Class 317 - BREL York/Derby; 1981-
Class 318 - BREL York; 1986-
Class 319 - BREL York; 1987-
Class 320 - BREL York; 1990-
Class 321 - BREL York; 1988-
Class 322 - BREL York; 1990-
Class 323 - Hunslet-TPL; 1992-
Class 325 - ABB Derby; 1995-
Class 332 - Siemens/CAF; 1997-
Class 333 - Siemens/CAF; 2000-
Class 334 - Alstom; 1999-
Class 357 - Adtranz; 1999-
Class 357/2 - Adtranz/Bombardier; 2001-
Class 360 - Siemens; 2003-
Class 365 - ABB York; 1994-
Class 370 - BR Derby; 1977-1986 (APT)
Class 373 - GEC Alstom; 1993-
Class 375 - Adtranz Derby; 1999-
Class 377 - Bombardier; 2002-
Class 390 - Alstom/Fiat; 2001-
Class 401 - (2BIL)Metro-Cammell/SR Eastleigh; 1935-1970 (Unit 2090 NRM preserved @ St. Leonards)
Class 402 - (2HAL)SR Eastleigh; 1939-1971
Class 403 - (5BEL)Metro-Cammell; 1932-1972
Class 404 - (COR/RES/BUF/GRI)SR Eastleigh; 1937-1972
Class 405 - (4SUB)SR/BR Eastleigh; 1947-1983
Class 410 - (4BEP) BR Eastleigh; 1957 (units converted to 411/412
Class 411 - (CEP) BR Eastleigh; 1956-
Class 412 - (4BEP)BR Swindon; 1983-
Class 413 - (4CAP) Rebuilt 414; 1982-1994
Class 414 - (2HAP) BR Eastleigh 1957-1994
Class 415 - (4EPB) BR Eastleigh; 1951-1995
Class 416 - (2EPB) BR Eastleigh; 1953-1995
Class 418 - (2SAP) BR Eastleigh; 1973-1980 (as 414)
Class 419 - (MLV) BR Eastleigh; 1959-1975 (1995)
Class 420 - (4BIG) BR York; 1965 (rebuilt as CIGs)
Class 421 - (4CIG) BR York; 1964-
Class 422 - (4BIG) BR York; Rebuilt 420/421; 1970-1995?
Class 423 - (4VEP) BR York; 1967-
Class 424 - Adtranz Derby; 1997-1998; Netwoker Classic
Class 427 - (4VEG) BR York; 1978 conversion for Gat-Ex
Class 430 - (4REP) BR York; 1966-1988
Class 432- (4REP) Reclassified from 430 1983
Class 438 - (4TC) BR York; 1966-1988 (in service)
Class 442 - (5WES) BREL Derby; 1987-
Class 444 - (Desiro) Siemens; 2003-
Class 445 - (4PEP) BREL York; 1971-1976
Class 446 - (2PEP) BREL York; 1972-1976
Class 450 - (Desiro) Siemens; 2002-
Class 455 - BR York; 1982-
Class 456 - BREL York; 1990-
Class 457 - Used for modified class 455 & 210 stock when used for dc ‘Networker’ traction development
Class 458 - (4JOP) Alstom; 1999-
Class 460 - (8GAT) Alstom; 1999-
Class 465 - BREL ABB; 1991-
Class 465/2 - GEC Alstom; 1991-
Class 466 - GEC Alstom; 1992-
Class 480 - Temp 8-car 8-VAB unit. 8001, modified from VEP stock
Class 482 - ABB Derby; 1993- (Waterloo & City)
Class 483 - MetroCammell; 1938
Class 485 - (4VEC)Cammell-Laird, Metropolitan and the Union Car Co.; 1920-1992
Class 486 - (3TIS) Cammell-Laird, Metropolitan and the Union Car Co.; 1920-1992
Class 487 - (WC) English Electric; 1940-1993
Class 488 - (1973)BR Derby; 1983 - (converted Mk2f for GatEx)
Class 489 - BR Eastleigh; 1983 (from Class 414 DMBSO)
Class 501 - BR Eastleigh; 1957-1985
Class 502 - LMS Derby; 1939-1981
Class 503 - MetroCammell; 1938/1956-1985
Class 504 - BR Wolverton; 1959-1991
Class 506 - MetroCammell; 1954-1984
Class 507 - BREL York; 1978-
Class 508 - BREL York; 1979-
Class 303 - Pressed Steel; 1959-2003
Class 304 - BR Wolverton; 1960-1996
Class 305 - BR York/Doncaster; 1959-2002 (1 set still at DERA)
Class 306 - MetroCammell/BRC&W; 1949-1981 (set 017 used still for specials)
Class 307 - BR Eastleigh; 1956-1993 (some driving units converted for PCVs)
Class 308 - BR York; 1961-2001 (several sets still in store at DERA)
Class 309 - BR York; 1962-2000 (sets still at Astom Eastleigh & DERA Pigs Bay)
Class 310 - BR Derby; 1965-2001
Class 311 - Cravens; 1967-1990
Class 312 - BREL York; 1975-
Class 313 - BREL York; 1976-
Class 314 - BREL York; 1979-
Class 315 - BREL York; 1980-
Class 316 - For experimental use; 1992-1996
Class 317 - BREL York/Derby; 1981-
Class 318 - BREL York; 1986-
Class 319 - BREL York; 1987-
Class 320 - BREL York; 1990-
Class 321 - BREL York; 1988-
Class 322 - BREL York; 1990-
Class 323 - Hunslet-TPL; 1992-
Class 325 - ABB Derby; 1995-
Class 332 - Siemens/CAF; 1997-
Class 333 - Siemens/CAF; 2000-
Class 334 - Alstom; 1999-
Class 357 - Adtranz; 1999-
Class 357/2 - Adtranz/Bombardier; 2001-
Class 360 - Siemens; 2003-
Class 365 - ABB York; 1994-
Class 370 - BR Derby; 1977-1986 (APT)
Class 373 - GEC Alstom; 1993-
Class 375 - Adtranz Derby; 1999-
Class 377 - Bombardier; 2002-
Class 390 - Alstom/Fiat; 2001-
Class 401 - (2BIL)Metro-Cammell/SR Eastleigh; 1935-1970 (Unit 2090 NRM preserved @ St. Leonards)
Class 402 - (2HAL)SR Eastleigh; 1939-1971
Class 403 - (5BEL)Metro-Cammell; 1932-1972
Class 404 - (COR/RES/BUF/GRI)SR Eastleigh; 1937-1972
Class 405 - (4SUB)SR/BR Eastleigh; 1947-1983
Class 410 - (4BEP) BR Eastleigh; 1957 (units converted to 411/412
Class 411 - (CEP) BR Eastleigh; 1956-
Class 412 - (4BEP)BR Swindon; 1983-
Class 413 - (4CAP) Rebuilt 414; 1982-1994
Class 414 - (2HAP) BR Eastleigh 1957-1994
Class 415 - (4EPB) BR Eastleigh; 1951-1995
Class 416 - (2EPB) BR Eastleigh; 1953-1995
Class 418 - (2SAP) BR Eastleigh; 1973-1980 (as 414)
Class 419 - (MLV) BR Eastleigh; 1959-1975 (1995)
Class 420 - (4BIG) BR York; 1965 (rebuilt as CIGs)
Class 421 - (4CIG) BR York; 1964-
Class 422 - (4BIG) BR York; Rebuilt 420/421; 1970-1995?
Class 423 - (4VEP) BR York; 1967-
Class 424 - Adtranz Derby; 1997-1998; Netwoker Classic
Class 427 - (4VEG) BR York; 1978 conversion for Gat-Ex
Class 430 - (4REP) BR York; 1966-1988
Class 432- (4REP) Reclassified from 430 1983
Class 438 - (4TC) BR York; 1966-1988 (in service)
Class 442 - (5WES) BREL Derby; 1987-
Class 444 - (Desiro) Siemens; 2003-
Class 445 - (4PEP) BREL York; 1971-1976
Class 446 - (2PEP) BREL York; 1972-1976
Class 450 - (Desiro) Siemens; 2002-
Class 455 - BR York; 1982-
Class 456 - BREL York; 1990-
Class 457 - Used for modified class 455 & 210 stock when used for dc ‘Networker’ traction development
Class 458 - (4JOP) Alstom; 1999-
Class 460 - (8GAT) Alstom; 1999-
Class 465 - BREL ABB; 1991-
Class 465/2 - GEC Alstom; 1991-
Class 466 - GEC Alstom; 1992-
Class 480 - Temp 8-car 8-VAB unit. 8001, modified from VEP stock
Class 482 - ABB Derby; 1993- (Waterloo & City)
Class 483 - MetroCammell; 1938
Class 485 - (4VEC)Cammell-Laird, Metropolitan and the Union Car Co.; 1920-1992
Class 486 - (3TIS) Cammell-Laird, Metropolitan and the Union Car Co.; 1920-1992
Class 487 - (WC) English Electric; 1940-1993
Class 488 - (1973)BR Derby; 1983 - (converted Mk2f for GatEx)
Class 489 - BR Eastleigh; 1983 (from Class 414 DMBSO)
Class 501 - BR Eastleigh; 1957-1985
Class 502 - LMS Derby; 1939-1981
Class 503 - MetroCammell; 1938/1956-1985
Class 504 - BR Wolverton; 1959-1991
Class 506 - MetroCammell; 1954-1984
Class 507 - BREL York; 1978-
Class 508 - BREL York; 1979-
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So I just noticed there are two Class 43s, with one withdrawn before another? What was wrong with them?Zackybong1 wrote:Class 252 - HST Prototype set; see class 41
Class 253 & 254 HSTs, see Class 43
Class 251: yes, Blue Pullman.
Met-Cam - Metropolitan-Cammell carriage and wagon Co. Ltd. (Birmingham)
Now part of Alstom and slowly going tits up.
Started off as Metropolitan on its own, I think, and then got tied up with Cammell and Vickers. At the end of the war they were making tanks together I believe (Metropolitan Vickers Electrical Co. Ltd. before you ask) and then buses and trains. When making buses the were quite separate companies, Met Vickers making the motors and Met-Cam the bodies.
Its one of the companies I don't know a great deal about. Met-Cam were in Saltly, Met Vickers were in Trafford Park Manchester.
I've heard Metro-Cammel Weyman before. So what did they do?
Anyway, thanks for all the builders, but where did you get the information from?
And I thought it was GEC Alsthom?
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The earlier Class 43 was the Warship style loco (diesel hydraulic never fared as well as diesel electric and by the mid seventies were considered non standard and eradicated), the latter is the HST.Stooopidperson wrote: So I just noticed there are two Class 43s, with one withdrawn before another? What was wrong with them?
I've heard Metro-Cammel Weyman before. So what did they do?
Anyway, thanks for all the builders, but where did you get the information from?
And I thought it was GEC Alsthom?
Metro-Cammell Weymann was founded in 1932 in Birmingham when the Bus Division of Metropolitan Cammell Carriage and Wagon Company merged Weymann Motor Bodies. In the beginning, they built steel railways and carriage bodies. Then they put effort on metal bus bodies. It was famous for its Orion bodies, which could generally suffer a longer time than their counterparts. The first complete bus designed and built by the company was the rear-engined Metrobus in 1970s. Other products included Metroliner single and double-deck coaches, and Metrorider midibus. The factory was closed after the company was overtaken by a joint venture of Optare Group and Leyland DAF in October 1989.
GEC ALSTHOM became a publicly-quoted company after its successful flotation on the Paris, London and New York stock exchanges, and was renamed ALSTOM in June '98.
My information is gathered through years of research (after working for BR and since), patience and a resource collection of stuff which my wife considers to be outgrowing the bookshelves I keep them in.
Start your collection today! (Or alternatively rely on chaps like me.)
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