Train Simulator 2 -- more details and European packshot!

XPTE · Post by **XPTE** » Tue May 13, 2003 3:55 pm

The MS Train Sim 2 forum is down that way folks! It was set up this morning!

*points to the bottom of the forums*

Whist myself, not being a steam buff and more into diesels and electrics, I'm a tad dissapointed that another steam route in MSTS 2, allthough not quite so dissapointed to discover that the route may well indeed be the Somerset & Dorset Railway as this will be a great route. But saying "another poxy old time steam route " is a little unfair, as Saddletank quite rightly says. This simulation has to have something for everyone for all ages, with a good mix of steam and diesel/electric trains to run, and freight and passenger activities. Diesel and electric fans will probably find the German route the most appealing to them.

kevarc · Post by **kevarc** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:10 pm

The PRR that they are showing in the preview pics is also a steam road. Though why they picked the late 40's is beyond me. The track and the K4's were beat to hell by the rigors of WW2. The K4's (the engine in the pic) were completely worn out by then. The one thing is though, the track remained the same until the late 70's, the era I like to do activities for, until CR pulled up the third track in places and then in the 90's when they finally made the clearances high enough for doublestacks to pass through. I am curious to see how much of the western side of the moutain in modeled. That grade can be as nasty as the east side of the mountain. Helpers both ways.

Horgy · Post by **Horgy** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:25 pm

philbozz wrote:I'd rather not have the British route if its gonna be another poxy old time steam route

It should be a modern route i wouldnt mind if it aint in UK then it ent so much the 'steam route' aspect it is the Old Timey aspect

I'm with Phil here. I'm no big fan of steam, and ANOTHER steam UK route from Microsoft lowers my faith in them to negative figures. What happened to variety? If M$ included both Modern AND old stock it wouldnt be so bad, then we would have the choice.. Oh well

Horgy

rwaceyw · Post by **rwaceyw** » Tue May 13, 2003 4:35 pm

Well, cope with it, and someone will make EMU's and all that for MSTS 2 on here anyway

duncharris · Post by **duncharris** » Tue May 13, 2003 5:23 pm

longbow wrote:Looking at the station building it's more likely taken on the German route. I suspect the UK route isn't ready yet.

possibly - look at the track spacing - I don't think it's 6' way, then again the first British route wasn't either. On the other hand, it isn't electrified.

Chris23 · Post by **Chris23** » Tue May 13, 2003 6:45 pm

Has everybody seen the screen shots of MSTS 2 on:

http://www.gamespy.com/e32003/gallery/pc/1000014919

or the screen shots of Flight Sim 2004 on

http://www.gamespy.com/e32003/gallery/pc/1001554

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Tue May 13, 2003 6:54 pm

That black5 screenshot isn't on a UK route. The station shelter looks like the same style the US loco was on, so either the US route or German route, methinks.

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Tue May 13, 2003 6:59 pm

Goingnorth wrote:Here's some more screenshots...the first one with signals in...albeit ground signals...Notice they do glow a bit more like proper lights...

And judging by the track there looks to be a new form of dynamic track in there!

Look in the background of the pic of the loco on the turntable; the ground signals are at sleeper level but to one side so are floating in the air beside that raised track. Yuck.

And that raised track. Ummm....not very British looking that high shoulder of ballast is it?

eurorail · Post by **eurorail** » Tue May 13, 2003 7:37 pm

From a German Route point of view it doesn't look that great.

There are plenty of good 103 models about, and Essen is just next door to Wupper 7.0 - in fact the station looks like to came out of Wupper 7.0.

simont · Post by **simont** » Tue May 13, 2003 7:56 pm

Yeah, but Wupper Express, pretty good that it is, is highly fictional - the MSTS version should be more accurate.

alisterbetts · Post by **alisterbetts** » Tue May 13, 2003 7:59 pm

Horgy wrote:
philbozz wrote:I'd rather not have the British route if its gonna be another poxy old time steam route

It should be a modern route i wouldnt mind if it aint in UK then it ent so much the 'steam route' aspect it is the Old Timey aspect
I'm with Phil here. I'm no big fan of steam, and ANOTHER steam UK route from Microsoft lowers my faith in them to negative figures. What happened to variety? If M$ included both Modern AND old stock it wouldnt be so bad, then we would have the choice.. Oh well

Horgy

Well, if I ever feel the need to ride on a bit of plastic, I just buy a train ticket on today's soulless railway and take a ride. If I really want to drive one, I get a drivers job. Most of us don't. The essence of MSTS is that we can drive whatever, wherever and to me the chance of dieselising the S&D is one I can't wait for - remember this is a game, use your imagination!

On an aside, do they issue differnet versions of Flight Sim to cater for those who prefer the Airbus to the Spitfire, and vice versa? Perhaps this is the way it'll go?

And if you don't like, vote with your wallet! Bet ya' won't resist....

gopher · Post by **gopher** » Tue May 13, 2003 8:07 pm

you wouldn't have a modern railway network today.

We Have ???

Horgy · Post by **Horgy** » Tue May 13, 2003 10:00 pm

alisterbetts wrote:
Horgy wrote:
philbozz wrote:I'd rather not have the British route if its gonna be another poxy old time steam route

It should be a modern route i wouldnt mind if it aint in UK then it ent so much the 'steam route' aspect it is the Old Timey aspect
I'm with Phil here. I'm no big fan of steam, and ANOTHER steam UK route from Microsoft lowers my faith in them to negative figures. What happened to variety? If M$ included both Modern AND old stock it wouldnt be so bad, then we would have the choice.. Oh well

Horgy
Well, if I ever feel the need to ride on a bit of plastic, I just buy a train ticket on today's soulless railway and take a ride. If I really want to drive one, I get a drivers job. Most of us don't. The essence of MSTS is that we can drive whatever, wherever and to me the chance of dieselising the S&D is one I can't wait for - remember this is a game, use your imagination!

On an aside, do they issue differnet versions of Flight Sim to cater for those who prefer the Airbus to the Spitfire, and vice versa? Perhaps this is the way it'll go?

And if you don't like, vote with your wallet! Bet ya' won't resist....

Yes, they call it "Combat Flight Simulator"

I'm not attacking steam, I just think we have an english steam route already, throwing more in won't attract more customers that's all. In all my life with MSTS (and ive had it since its US Release) i've driven a steam train once. They are uninteresting to me. That doesn't mean EMU's are interesting, but its nice to have a selection.

Horgy

qzdcg8 · Post by **qzdcg8** » Tue May 13, 2003 10:05 pm

saddletank wrote: And that raised track. Ummm....not very British looking that high shoulder of ballast is it?

Gets rid of the floating trackbed problem though!

saddletank · Post by **saddletank** » Tue May 13, 2003 11:01 pm

simont wrote:the MSTS version should be more accurate.

What makes you say that?