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I've tried to understand this thread about changing passenger views, but I can't really understand the thread.

The passenger view on the Australian NSW interurban set is too close to the wall, and is restricted, even if youn rotate the view.

You can from the first three, the restricted view, because of how close the passenger is to the wall.
1. http://flickr.com/gp/34023326@N02/88b70A
2. http://flickr.com/gp/34023326@N02/10Mzz8 &
3. http://flickr.com/gp/34023326@N02/LV69Jy

I'd like to know how to get a similar view similar to this, a bit further to the back of the carriage. (Okay mods & admins, get ya eyes off that picture in the carriage!)
4. http://flickr.com/gp/34023326@N02/996mfN

PS: They don't seem to have a config.txt file in the U set folder.

Not sure why you're looking for a config.txt file.

If you look in the .wag files for the passenger view information, you'll find a section like:

Inside (
PassengerCabinFile ( PassView_Bec.s )
PassengerCabinHeadPos ( -0.585 2.346 6.515 )
RotationLimit ( 0 0 0 )
StartDirection ( 0 0 0 )
)

It's the co-ordinates in the red line that determine where the view position is. The first one is left to right, the second up and down and the third front to back.

Make a backup copy of the .wag file and experiment until the passenger view is where you want it.

Have a look at http://msts.steam4me.net/tutorials/pass_view.html.

latimers wrote:Not sure why you're looking for a config.txt file.

Not sure if it was important or not, so just letting the readers know.

latimers wrote:If you look in the .wag files for the passenger view information, you'll find a section like

I'm on a computer that only allows an hour, so what program would be suitable for a WAG file?

Thanks

NewcastleFlyer wrote:I'm on a computer that only allows an hour, so what program would be suitable for a WAG file?

ConTEXT. See http://msts.steam4me.net/tutorials/context.html.

That is a wonderful tutorial, I may try my hand at adding some people to the carriage interior it has long been a subject of interest to me to see if we can populate the carraiges of MSTS...it would really enhance the immersion. thanks for that great tutorial.

CrisGer wrote:That is a wonderful tutorial, I may try my hand at adding some people to the carriage interior it has long been a subject of interest to me to see if we can populate the carraiges of MSTS...it would really enhance the immersion. thanks for that great tutorial.

Indeed there have been a few models released for MSTS with either passengers or just passenger heads visible. I totaly agree it's a worthwhile extra detail. Many MSTS coaches have reasonable interiors even when they don't include a specific interior passenger view model and merely placing a viewpoint at your preferred location gives another view point at least. Here in the UK many stations have limited length platforms and using a passenger view positioned at the guards door is a great aid to accurate stops at platforms.

I spent ages positioning a passenger view in every bit of stock in Making Tracks Great Eastern route, including guards views..... only to have the HD die on me . I'd just started on LSE stock when it happened too. I just haven't had the time to devote to redoing them since I restored everything but if I get a chance I'll ask permission to upload the modified .wag files.

There is a passenger view in the official MSTS Class 50 and Mk1 coach add-on. This needs patching to adjust it's height (that's in the libraries already somewhere) and it can be aliased like a cab view to suitable stock. Again the detail of that exercise crashed with my HD but somewhere I have the detail.

In a few MSTS routes folk have introduced animated passengers at stations too. Not very sophisticated 3D models of the people compare with RW but at least they have a sensible animation instead of appearing out of thin air, marching determinedly towards ....nothing, and then disappearing back into thin air!

Some in these videos somewhere.... worth a look IMHO anyway as the GN Hi Line is one of the best US routes out there and a prime example of why the community ought to rework stuff rather than dismiss it as "Done". http://www.stephan-michael.de/GNPS/video.html

Geoff

PS I believe some of the BATS passenger views may have had passenger's backs of heads if memory serves?

Geoff thanks a lot for the reply, I have had this idea for some years now, and found some older carriages in the Italian sets that have passengers in the passenger view but they are 2D.. i guess my first hope is to get passengers made up into sets of various sized that can be added to carriage external models so that they appear when normal operations views from the outside happen, as the UK and the other standard passenger coach sizes seem pretty much regularized I think it might be possible to create sets of various sizes for the various standard coach sizes and then with permission of the original creators, try to see about adding them to each model. I do not yet know enough about how all of this is done but hopefully it is something that may be achieveable.

The only passengers in coaches that I know of are in the fine Orient Express coaches by a french maker, some of the interiors of others like the GA coach set have the lamps and table details when you look inside but i dont personally know of any coaches that have passengers already installed but i have heard there are some.

Re passengers on station platforms that is another area of improvement we can achieve with, i did not know there were animated sets that is great to hear. I was just looking at Didi's amazing site with all the various animated people he made, with all of them I suppose it would be a fairly easy matter to make sets ...just a matter of placing tho i am not sure yet how the placing of animated figures works....and how to make them the most realistic as you say the vanishing act could be a bit weird. I have seen they have good figures in Railworks but they are limited in type so you see 4 types repeated and it looks really worse than nothing

That is great to hear about your work adjusting the passenger views, it is a worth project.... i am sorry about your HD that always seems to happen when valueable projects are underway ..... but i will check out that video and do more research..thanks again for the details and reply.

There is an excellent French autorail “Panoramique” which has passengers on the top deck, both in external and internal views. Internally one of the passengers is an attractive young woman who winks at you.

Download “X4200 panoramique” from

http://www.bb9004.net/bb9004/RechercheMateriel.php

an excellent site for French rolling stock and information on French MSTS material generally.

I do not know how the passengers are contrived, but those with more knowledge can work it out from the files in the X4200 folder

Tony

wow thanks Tony. I think i have that one in my files of french stock. Yes that is a great site with tons of resources. I did not know about the passengers aboard the Pan, or the winking lady that sounds fun. I will indeed take a look...

i have a feeling after overcoming my fear about even mentioning this that we may indeed find that a solution along the lines of the engine crew animations may in fact work for carriages too, I am not sure if we can do animation lines for coaches but it may be possible..or something similar and simple. Here's hoping.

Don't know why, but after a while, the sets don't seem to work, and I had to re-install them.

Is that normal?