S&D

[steve1023]

I know this is fictional but to day the driver of the 15,08 Pines after finding out there was no Pilot loco promptly failed Crewkwerne as well, saying there's know way could it haul the Pines without a banker,the only other loco on shed was a BR Sulzer 1865,so he said he would take that as being a Bournemouth Driver he was passed out to drive them.

After backing down on the the train it had a on time departure from Bath made Midford with plenty of time and kept to the line limit with know problems,with a early arrival at Evercreech Junc,which pleased the passengers as normaly the train was late,even the crew said it was the first time in years the were able to enjoy seeing the Somerset and Dorset country with out having to worry about keeping the train going.

After a short wait at Evercreech Junc the Pines Departed on time and after a steady run to Bournemouth West arrival wwas a few mins early.
The driver then told the Bournemouth Shed Forman what he could do with $^*# Spam Can.To day the S&D didn't live up to it's nickname of Slow & Dirty.
Just don't take this seriously.

Michael

No - maybe not take it seriously, but its what makes trainsimming great - the ability just to do things like this and have a little bit of a laugh.

Great story Michael.

Steve

P.S. - I would be interested to know how that crompton/8TC did Alistair.

[craignobbs]

Thanks Clive; I had a great New Year's Day travelling along a line that I wish I had done for real (too young...)! Spotted Ivo Peters and his Bentley at Masbury as well. In the Route Information you state that: The southern section from Broadstone to Bournemouth may not be accurate. With no signalling diagrams for this section to work from..... Full signalling diagrams can be found in "An Historical Survey of the Somerset & Dorset Railway" by CWJudge & CRPotts (Oxford Publishing 1979). Signalling diagrams are included for all stations (including branches), along with scale plans. It's out-of-print, but you might find a copy on Amazon. I'm not experiened in changing the route from the test one: is there a tutorial in this forum on how to do it? Finally, thanks once again; it's a brilliant route.

[alisterbetts]

The crompton + 8TC got just past Durweston before grinding to a halt. Would therefore recommend one crompton per TC......

[jimmyladd]

Just a thought maybe Clive or some of our better steam loco drivers coudl give us a few hints on how to get at least as far as Midford,by giving a few hints onn what cut off % to use and what regulator settinng,bearng in mind the WC's were notorious for slipping on this route.

Michael

Make sure the damper is open 100%, alot of models its shut on starting, and the brakes are in running not release whilst on the move. You can shut the small ejector too whilst in motion. All help to maintain steam pressure. Driving the 2P from Bath with 6 on I found to keep time I had to have the cut off either 45 or 50% with full regulator and sand on just to maintain 15 to 20 mph on the banks and keep time. Reduce the cut off any more and you slowed down. At stations make sure you put the blower on to help regain pressure if its fallen significantly. I'm not sure if 6 on with a 2P is realistic though? I have to confess I know very little about the line and what ran on it.
Jim

[johny]

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In the Route Information you state that: The southern section from Broadstone to Bournemouth may not be accurate. With no signalling diagrams for this section to work from..... Full signalling diagrams can be found in "An Historical Survey of the Somerset & Dorset Railway" by CWJudge & CRPotts (Oxford Publishing 1979). Signalling diagrams are included for all stations (including branches), along with scale plans. It's out-of-print, but you might find a copy on Amazon.
...

I have this book and unfortunately it does not contain diagrams further south than Broadstone and Wimborne. Technically, from Broadstone to Bournemouth was LSWR, later SR, both Broadstone and Wimborne being part of 'Castleman's Corkscrew'.

Likely sources of information would be Vol 2 and Vol 3 of George Pryer's 'SIGNAL BOX DIAGRAMS of the GREAT WESTERN & SOUTHERN RAILWAYS', the former entitled 'SR LINES IN EAST DORSET' and the latter entitled 'SOMERSET AND DORSET JOINT LINES'. Much of George's work is sadly out of print, you might be able to find second-hand copies.

John

[1crick14a]

might be of interest.............

http://locoperformance.tripod.com/editi ... dorset.htm

and

http://www.semgonline.com/misc/sdjr_01.html

also

http://semaphore.avonvalleyrailway.org/ ... coach.html

[d1010]

The crompton + 8TC got just past Durweston before grinding to a halt. Would therefore recommend one crompton per TC......

Just ran D1000 Western Enterprise From Bath load 12 kept to line speed just going up the banks
Ivo didnt looked amused.

[bigvern]

I must dust off MSTS in order to try this, sounds like a cracking route and great fun/challenge too (an objective we occasionally forget!).

Re loadings, if anyone has the old SIAM Bath 1961 to hand this did state the maximum unassisted load for various loco types.

Off the top of my head I'm fairly certain a 2P was maximum 5 Mark Ones, as were the 82xxx tank locos..
75xxx/76xxx/4F's 7 Mark Ones though I would need to check.
Spam Can was 8 Mark Ones.
Black Five/Standard 5MT 9 Mark Ones.
7F 10 Mark Ones.
9F 11 Mark Ones.

Hope this helps.

[passedcleaner]

I don't know if anyone else has experienced this yet, but I think Broadstone Bank is a tad steeper than it was in real life. Just attempted to lift 11 Mk1s up what I think was prototypically a 1:80 gradient - ended in a stall with full regulator, full cut-off, full steam pressure and sanders on (no slipping). The F5 display said 2.3% which if I'm not mistaken is about 1:45!

Reckon it might be 'rushed' with 11 though - I did stop about 100yds from the summit and I wasn't exactly going flat out when I hit the bottom.

Anyone else find this?

Seb

[jimmyladd]

I don't know if anyone else has experienced this yet, but I think Broadstone Bank is a tad steeper than it was in real life. Just attempted to lift 11 Mk1s up what I think was prototypically a 1:80 gradient - ended in a stall with full regulator, full cut-off, full steam pressure and sanders on (no slipping). The F5 display said 2.3% which if I'm not mistaken is about 1:45!

Reckon it might be 'rushed' with 11 though - I did stop about 100yds from the summit and I wasn't exactly going flat out when I hit the bottom.

Anyone else find this?

Seb

Yeah i do think its a bit steeper. I tried an S15 with 10 milk tanks and it wouldn't make the bank flat out with full boiler pressure. Thinking about it I'm sure an S15 would take ten milks up a 1 in 45? maybe its steeper still! Makes for fun activities though!

[michaelhendle]

I've just tried a class 33 + 6 Green MK1s on the Bath-Bournemouth slow service and it easily handled the train to Midford although I reckon it might start to struggle if any more coaches were added.
The Loco used was a MT class 33 from the LSE addon and the MK1's are the FDB Green Mk1's,I reckon a Western or BR sulzer type 4 would be right for the Pines,and the 33,Hymek or original Warship for other through trains,I would only use the Green Cl 33/37/47's or in the case of Western Region Hydrulics Green or Maroon as they are in keeping with the era that the S&D is set in..

If set in Modern Times I reckon you could get away with a Voyager,and Classes 153/155/156 and 158 sets,freight might just be Container traffic or Metals to and from Poole,and maybe oil trains.

Personaly I would keep it in the 60's with a smatering of deisels but mainly steam.

One other thing if it hadn't been mentioned I wouldn't have noticed any thing wrong with the signals in the southern section of the route,I think Clive has realy bought this route to life and has all the atmosphere of the S&D warts and all.

Michael

[Tonysmedley]

I have a personal niggle about the S&D route!
Having loaded the numerous stock items I now find that there are many cases of missing cabview files, which I should have noticed if I had read every Readme in those downloads; downloading the cabview files would have made the task even longer.
I also have missing sound files
2cyl_generic\\2c-100b-engpas_7F.sms
and 2cyl_generic\\2c-100b-cab_7F.sms


Tony

[learnerdriver]

Clive,

Have just downloaded your route and have managed a DMU trip from Bath up to Evercreech. What a route! The scenery is stunning and I can't wait to try out a kettle and 6. This is up there amongst the best UK routes both freeware and commercial and probably the most challenging to drive since Bala.

Well done and thanks for sharing your efforts with us.

Chris

[paulct]

I have a personal niggle about the S&D route!
Having loaded the numerous stock items I now find that there are many cases of missing cabview files, which I should have noticed if I had read every Readme in those downloads; downloading the cabview files would have made the task even longer.
I also have missing sound files
2cyl_generic\\2c-100b-engpas_7F.sms
and 2cyl_generic\\2c-100b-cab_7F.sms


Tony

I too thought I'd forgotten to download something, so I bodged up something else that looked similar, seemed to work ok then

Paul

[rufuskins]

May not be relevant, but I have sometimes found that uploads which refer to 2 and 3 cylinder common.sound files quite often contain a a common.sound folder for the additional files.

Alec

PS Have spent a good part of the evening installing SDJR + Acts and downloading the relevant stock items. Will now install the stock and then run all RR checks, after which - assuming all is ship-shape and Bristol fashion - I will set it up as Mini Route.