Can anyone confirm how many patches there were for BAT's SVR

[lateagain]

Can anyone confirm how many patches there were for BAT's SVR?

Please don't point me at the link where there is a 5 page argument about whether they work or not .

There is still one official patch on Just Trains web site but I still get some errors.

Route Riter has "fixed" some points but not all work even now. I seem to remember Otto had a fix for this but I've lost the link to his site?

I have the UKTS Diesel Gala CD too. Not installed that yet as I want to sort the basic errors (two consists in the ITR acts) before adding anything else.

Also someone mentioned a signaling fix?

BTW running it in Win7 64bit on my new box it seems incredible that it was a real frame rate killer back in the day. It runs really well now and it's still up there with the better routes as far as scenery is concerned. Such a shame BAT's disintegrated .

Geoff

PS It might be useful to start a sticky for the source of patches for older routes? Many are still for sale and yet the distribution may not link to the patches? Even better if we could put the patches in the library they'd be safe for the future? Many require some security device like having the CD in the drive or a key to use them so no piracy issues should be a problem? Still that's a second fiddle to posting up to date links.

[douglee]

Hi Geoff,
As far as I know there is only the one Patch for BATS SVR.
I purchased mine (The Route)from Just Trains. They are still hosting the Patch.

Here:-

http://www.justtrains.net/faqs.asp?drdP ... %20Railway

The argument is split as to weather it works on Vista or not. As you say there is copy protection.
If it works and as the route is Patched. I would save the whole Route patch and all on a Disk.

Hope this helps.

Good luck
Doug
PS This is the read me from the Update to the Diesel Gala CD to make it work with the patched SVR.
BLUE ARROW TS UPDATE FOR UKTS DIESEL GALA CD

This patch will update the "Southbound A4" activity included on the UK TrainSim Diesel Gala CD to work with the SVR route update.

To update run the BATS_UKTS_DieselGalaUpdate.exe included in this zip file.

In order for the patch to work, you must have previously installed the Severn Valley Railway add-on pack, the SVR update and the UKTS Diesel Gala CD. Failure to do so may render your installation of Microsoft Train Simulator unstable, or may cause it to crash altogether.

Blue Arrow TS
6th March 2004

The instructions in the .exefor the BATS_UKTS_DieselGalaUpdate state that you must have the SVR, the SVR Patch and the Diesel Gala installed first before installing that patch.

Doug

[phill70]

Geoff

http://www.otto-wipfel.co.uk/msts-downloads/

Good Idea about the patch links, I will look into that.

Glyn

[lateagain]

Thanks for the link Glyn.

BTW another bit of filing that would be useful.

Where there are uploads of activities for routes (especially commercial routes) it would help if they were filed by stock required and era.

For example there are, unsurprisingly, masses of acts for MT's LSE. Some require only the original CD stock. Some require the original PLUS the BATS Southern Region disc stock. Some are modern era and require downloads from the library. Some are earlier era than the original and require downloads from the library too.

Geoff.

[johny]

There was a second patch (signalling), it was only ever available from the BATS website.

John

[lateagain]

There was a second patch (signalling), it was only ever available from the BATS website.

John

Hi John,

Don't suppose you've got it still?

I had all of the BATS downloads at one stage but corrupted HDDs and many machines later I doubt I still have it.

This is the sort of patch I had in mind. No use to anyone except those who have the software and yet lost to those who have.

Cheers

Geoff

[douglee]

Hi All,

Thanks for the link Glyn.

BTW another bit of filing that would be useful.

Where there are uploads of activities for routes (especially commercial routes) it would help if they were filed by stock required and era.

For example there are, unsurprisingly, masses of acts for MT's LSE. Some require only the original CD stock. Some require the original PLUS the BATS Southern Region disc stock. Some are modern era and require downloads from the library. Some are earlier era than the original and require downloads from the library too.

Geoff.

Isn't there something that Matt is working on, that will do just that? Or have I read it wrong again.

http://www.uktrainsim.com/index2.php?fo ... port=1354g

Good luck
Doug

[lateagain]

Well not entirely Doug,

Matts thing looks excellent but mine was simply tidying up the filing a bit.

There are 97 acts for "London and Sout East"
10 acts for "LSE"
3 acts for "LSE 1963"

That's 110 acts ....which is brilliant ...but

They contain acts that where some require:
Only the original CD stock.
Some require the original PLUS the BATS Southern Region disc stock.
Some are modern era and require downloads from the library.
Some are earlier era than the original and require downloads from the library too.
BTW with many of the modern ones the uploader has neatly marked the image with the logo of the main company too.

All I'm suggesting is that to save having to plough through 110 acts you could batch them roughly as I've outlined above? It saves having to read the detail of loads you don't want or can't use?

Just cleaning up the filing really?

Geoff.

PS as I've got to plough through them anyway I'll sort them and make a note of file ID's and any other anomalies etc. I'll make a post with the links called LSE acts Sort ...or something like that but a few extra headings in the file library and rearrangement would be best if possible.

[douglee]

Hi Geoff,
I have read the news again and though I not understand the ins and outs. It would seem that although the reference is scenery for routes, acts and rolling stock could work the same way.

Either way there seems loads of work involved.

Good luck
Doug

[rufuskins]

Either way there seems loads of work involved
Good luck
Doug

You are not wrong there, bearing in mind the classic problem of stock items withdrawn by their authors!!

Ruf

[gswindale]

Matts thing looks excellent but mine was simply tidying up the filing a bit.

There are 97 acts for "London and Sout East"
10 acts for "LSE"
3 acts for "LSE 1963"

That's 110 acts ....which is brilliant ...but

They contain acts that where some require:
Only the original CD stock.
Some require the original PLUS the BATS Southern Region disc stock.
Some are modern era and require downloads from the library.
Some are earlier era than the original and require downloads from the library too.
BTW with many of the modern ones the uploader has neatly marked the image with the logo of the main company too.

All I'm suggesting is that to save having to plough through 110 acts you could batch them roughly as I've outlined above? It saves having to read the detail of loads you don't want or can't use?

Just cleaning up the filing really?

But then if I want an act for LSE, rather than simply looking through one list of activities, I'd have to plough through various other categories.

I'd rather have all acts for one route listed together; with a decent description and related files attached all neat & tidily.

We have moved somewhat off-topic have we not?

[rufuskins]

We have moved somewhat off-topic have we not?

But isn't that often par for the course?

Ruf

[douglee]

Hi John

There was a second patch (signalling), it was only ever available from the BATS website.

John

Is this the signal patch you refer to?

Fix for Blue Arrow LNER Pack Garsdale-Settle Freight [63029 bytes] - BATS_Garsdale-Settle Feight Fix.zip File ID: 8549 Date: 15 Mar 2004 - 857 Downloads

Good luck
doug

[lateagain]

We have moved somewhat off-topic have we not?

Errr ...my topic actually and no. We've extended a facet of my post.

But then if I want an act for LSE, rather than simply looking through one list of activities, I'd have to plough through various other categories.

I'd rather have all acts for one route listed together; with a decent description and related files attached all neat & tidily.

????

Well I don't see your point Geoff? For a start the detail in the description varies from a small novelette through to barely sufficient

There are already acts under 3 different headings and they all contain a mixture of activities.

My suggestion was to create sub categories that actually meant something. If you have LSE and you have the BATS Southern Region stock then you'd know that acts listed under that heading required both without having to read the detail.

If you like modern stuff then you'd know that the categories for any act other than modern were not what you're after?

I'm merely suggesting a logic to sub categories that isn't there right now? How can that be more difficult?

To try and make it Clearer?

Sub categories

LSE activities for MT LSE stock ONLY.
LSE activities for MT LSE stock AND BATS Southern Region Stock
LSE activities MODERN era
LSE activities STEAM and Earlier era.
but I guess you'd have to add
LSE activities for MT LSE stock with additional freeware downloads

Many of us have BATS stock packs and many activities were written for routes using these. Highlighting acts that use them would immediately identify them as not being of use to those who don't own them.

I'm NOT suggesting re-cataloguing the entire file library. THAT would be a massive task!

Ruf you're right about withdrawn stock. It's a pain. Seems an unnecessary and petty act to me? My opinion anyway.

If we'd ever sorted out permissions we could just modify the affected acts and update them. Trouble is folk spend hours sorting out acts and obviously they want to keep editorial control. Whilst folk are allowed to withdraw stuff though we're in a "lose, lose situation".

Why am I looking at this now?

Well like many of us who've been involved from the start I'm on about my fourth computer and having to start from square one I'm looking to create as error free a set up as possible. My last stable install that ran for a number of years finally corrupted and refused to run MSTS at all. No errors were reported but before I had a chance to delve further the disc corrupted and I had to walk away ....to get a perspective. Unlike many folk I don't subscribe to new is always best. BATS, MT and 3DTS stuff will always have a place on any MSTS install I have and I'm sure that doesn't make me unique? Trouble is as stuff gets older and major players dissappear off the radar we need to make it easier for newcomers to join in? as well as make this task easier?

Geoff

[gswindale]

Ahh - I see know.

I thought you meant having them completely seperate and not as sub-categories.