Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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michaelhendle wrote:Hi David,
Open up the BTB route information folder every thing you need is there in the created activities folder,except the trainset,it tells you to use the BC1(Black Country 1)Trainset folder that has all the stock in to run the route.

Michael
And all the consists? Perhaps it also needs consists from teh BC1 route.

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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Hi David,
The read me says the activities are linked to the BC1 'Trains' folder i.e. Trainset and Consists. I made 3 new consists using BC1 stock for the Player trains which need to be copied into the consists folder. The ai trains already exist. Hope this helps.
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Although i'm sure there is no order in how the downloads appear it's a shame this route has already ventured into the bottom row of downloads on the home page. Everything msts related is stuck at the bottom waiting to disappear when new files are uploaded while RW items seem to be taking most of the limelight. Not a dig at railworks but it would have been nicer to see it at the top for a couple of days rather than not at all!
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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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kieranhardy wrote:Although i'm sure there is no order in how the downloads appear it's a shame this route has already ventured into the bottom row of downloads on the home page. Everything msts related is stuck at the bottom waiting to disappear when new files are uploaded while RW items seem to be taking most of the limelight. Not a dig at railworks but it would have been nicer to see it at the top for a couple of days rather than not at all!
It is still second on my home page (because I only show my interest, MSTS).

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dforrest wrote:
kieranhardy wrote:Although i'm sure there is no order in how the downloads appear it's a shame this route has already ventured into the bottom row of downloads on the home page. Everything msts related is stuck at the bottom waiting to disappear when new files are uploaded while RW items seem to be taking most of the limelight. Not a dig at railworks but it would have been nicer to see it at the top for a couple of days rather than not at all!
It is still second on my home page (because I only show my interest, MSTS).
Are you sure you are referring to the home page or the main downloads page? This route is number 3 on the main downloads but right at the bottom on the home UKTS page, i see no option to change what shows on the main uktrainsim homepage.
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kieranhardy wrote:
dforrest wrote:
kieranhardy wrote:Although i'm sure there is no order in how the downloads appear it's a shame this route has already ventured into the bottom row of downloads on the home page. Everything msts related is stuck at the bottom waiting to disappear when new files are uploaded while RW items seem to be taking most of the limelight. Not a dig at railworks but it would have been nicer to see it at the top for a couple of days rather than not at all!
It is still second on my home page (because I only show my interest, MSTS).
Are you sure you are referring to the home page or the main downloads page? This route is number 3 on the main downloads but right at the bottom on the home UKTS page, i see no option to change what shows on the main uktrainsim homepage.
You I correct! I use the download page as my MSTS home page.

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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Hi David,

There should be a set of consists in BTB route informatiton folder along with a activities folder,services folder and traffic folder.If you haven't got BC1 then you will have to make your own consists

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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Hi Clive,
Many thanks for another great route for MSTS.

I've only completed Act001 at present, and almost completed Act003 - ground to a halt on the Lickey due to my (lack of) driving skills!!

I found that the following needs to be installed :
 Click to view more informationUKSteamTrack - Part 3 - SWB Wagon Sounds (inc patch) [1645020 bytes] - UKST_pt3_v1-0.exe
File ID: 3290 Date: 07 Oct 2002 - 13144 Downloads


Also, like Michael, I found that with tsection38, I couldn't leave Bath Green Park without getting a SPAD; changing to tsection41 solved that problem.

Three very minor points - some signals appear to have an opaque box around them and there appears to be a great deal of shimmering and moving triangular shapes on the 'brown ground'. I will see if adjusting AA/AF for the graphics card will effect a solution, although I am already set at 8x for both. I am using an ATI 5750 with the latest drivers, 10.2, so it's not the same as the old NVidia problem. The third point is that the AI locos seem to have the 'spinning driving wheels' syndrone - I thought this was cured by the Bin patch, or is it due to how the locos are configured?

Well done!

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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Hi Ged,

If the boxes are around some of the colour light signals you will see they have chicken wire in them,I've noticed in some areas on Railtrack/Notwork Rail or whatever they call themselves these days that colour signals have these also.

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slipperman12 wrote:Also, like Michael, I found that with tsection38, I couldn't leave Bath Green Park without getting a SPAD; changing to tsection41 solved that problem.
I find this strange, isn't it usually 41 causing the SPAD on green aspects and 38 usually fixes it, why has it swapped for this route?

I am still utterly puzzled why in recent months certain tsections have been causing this, as we never had this issue in previous versions i can't understand why something was changed when everything used to be working fine? :-?
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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Tonysmedley wrote:Has anyone managed to run the route through Route Riter? In the Read Me's the author says that RR does not like his route, and I am puzzled by this.
I find thatv RR starts all right but seems to take an age procesing World files before stalling whilst processing w-005135+014966-w It does not seem to be able to get past this point, although CPU uasge remains at a relatively high level.
Not me. RR hangs when processing world files.

Is it perhaps because there are 3,836 pf them, most of them only 44 bytes in size?

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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Hi All

I have the same problem but it is no major problem as everything runs OK (I have it set up as a Mini Route).

It happened to me once before and I emailed Mike who found it was a particular World File that RR didn't like so Mike fixed it and everything checked out OK.

I will email Mike and see if he can fix this problem noting that he will probably have to download the Route first and I don't think he has Premium Access :o

Regards

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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Hi Clive

What a real "Cracker" of a Route you have treated us all to. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I just completed Act001 with absolutely no problems and the FPS was brilliant - from 59 to 26 even around Bristol and no stuttering.

Re the Spinning Wheels you mentioned Ged - I believe you probably have the "stable" version of MSTSBin installed (1.7.051922) which didn't correct the Wheel Madness (as George called it) whereas with his latest Version of MSTSBin (1.8.052113) he corrected this and all the Kettles for BC1had been made to work with 1.8.052113 - I verified this as I got no Spinning Wheels with any of the A1 Traffic.

I have all my major Routes set up as Mini Routes so I can pick and choose what version of MSTSBin & tsection.DAT is appropriate to use

Hope this helps

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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Hi Clive

I have just completed Act003 with no problems at all - got over the Lickey Bank at 26 MPH :lol:

Again considering the very detailed UKFinescale trackwork you have incorporated in your Route together with the detailed scenery I was amazed at me getting 28 FPS approaching Birmingham New Street - very well done indeed.

Mike has replied to my email and will have a look tomorrow at why RR stops checking at the World Files - he has Premium Access to UKTS

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Re: Bristol to Birmingham-New Route Help

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Good morning all, another night and a few more queries :)
Mile(Iluka) Thanks for that. Although i checked the route the long way i.e. running at night, snow etc and when a fault came up, checking the SD files and textures it would be nice to know why for my next route.
Shimmering Ground Cover I used transfers to fill in gaps at sidings etc. Sometimes they shimmerred, sometimes they didn't. As I said before, my graphics card is a bit dodgy and pretty well all of the scenery shimmers :( . In hindsight I should have done it the other way around and made the tertex the base cover and used transfers to mask the areas that were grass, urban etc.
Signal White Rectangles Most of the excellent signals on the MR sections are by Simon Barnes and downloaded from UKTS. When testing i did see this effect, but as the signals are so good, considered the problem ignorable. I think it might be a problem with the alpha channel for the mesh having a fight with the alphas on surrounding trees. Maybe.
Extra Tiles This has confused me. When i'd pretty well finished the route, i used the TS utilities in Route Riter to get rid of excess Tiles. All seemed well as the Tile Folder size is 130mb compared to my master copy of 1.72Gb(I demex'd most of Central England and a fair bit of Wales I think :D ). When I check the World tiles theres a load that have not been populated and if I go into the Route Editor, are white. It's bulked up the Download a bit and I have to admit not checking the World and Tile folders as a scan in route editor didn't give me an idea anything was wrong.
All in all the route seems to be working OK but i'm keeping a record of all the comments. Maybe an update will be worthwhile later this year but i'll see how it goes.
Cheers
Clive
p.s. just noticed a fault in the trackwork at Birmingham. It doesn't affect the running in both directions or using reverse points etc. Clue: a bit of Dynatrax has done something strange. First one to spot it and come to Alanya on holiday this summer, i'll buy you a beer :D
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