Atomic Systems

As a direct opposite to http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 15&t=79487 posted in January last year, is it possibly to convert RS content for MSTS? I'm only thinking about rolling stock and nothing else at the moment.

~Ziggy

No. same reply as the other post.
The simulators are completely different.

With the original modelling files is it possible to export an item to MSTS format.

OK thanks for that. Case closed.

ziggyshadowdust wrote:OK thanks for that. Case closed.

Well Ian did pose the solution but that requires the modeller to be motivated to do that?

At least one of the better modellers started out doing stuff for MSTS, moved on to do even better stuff for Trainz and then moved on to RS & RW(?) ...... but alas he never came back to MSTS. His early models are still freely available for reskinning and they've been used to great advantage t'other side of the pond.

I supose you can't blame the creator for choosing his favourite tools and in Train Simming that's tied to the sim itself too?

Geoff

RW allows models with much higher poly counts, larger texture files and custom shaders. Once you get used to modelling with these it's hard to go back.

longbow wrote:RW allows models with much higher poly counts, larger texture files and custom shaders. Once you get used to modelling with these it's hard to go back.

Granted. BUT..... Let me suggest a motorsport analogy.

Bigger engines, cleverer frames and suspensions make it easy to get more and more speed. However the Sport imposes constraints on the designers. The challenge, which is arguably much more clever, is to get as much out of those limitations as possible.

This is a challenge that some MSTS modellers are rising to, and pretty succesfully too?

Sorry to repeat shots from a thread I've already posted in but I'm repeating them here to try and keep any "flame" element out of this discussion.

lateagain wrote:"a picture is worth a thousand words"

Geoff

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PS I chose the models that were closest to the MSTS model in type and skin. No other motive.

Make your own mind up about the relative merits.

Personally I think it would be great if modellers could look at this as a challenge. It might help diminish the "them and us" fan mentality? .....or of course it might backfire and fuel it

So far models formerly released in MSTS have been reworked for RS/RW.

Hi

Kevin Martin kindly did it sometime back

Ivatt 2mt 2-6-2 Tank locomotive V2 [3190191 bytes] - ivatt2mt_tank.zip File ID: 14130 Date: 25 Mar 2008 - 3612 Downloads

Although it seemed to go unnoticed at the time, so I imagine he didn't bother after that.

It never ceases to amaze me how lazy members are , you can get 100 downloads but are lucky if one posts a thanks in the forums.
More likely to get a nit picking post from one of the know it alls.

Cheers
Jon

Jon, happy new year to you.

I have to agree with your comments, there's nothing like being left in the dark, just hope that the assumption that there are no problems with one's models is correct. I use that particular loco on my signal test route.

John

Indeed Jon it was Kevins stuff that I was talking about. Hadn't realised the date significance of the V2 MSTS Ivatts. I wasn't looking at RS in much detail at all to begin with.

Kevin I raved about you loco's when you first moved up to standard guage (nought wrong with the NG models of course ...I just didn't have any NG stuff installed. I'm sure I speak for all the silent Kettle fans (and your MSTS download figures seem to support my opinion) when I say nothing you knock out will ever NOT be appreciated. In fact I'm a tads surprised that some of your latest stuff for the new sims hasn't higher download figures given the shortage of freeware for those sims?

There's nought like bothering to say thank you ...but I guess if your stuff has high downloads and little feedback then you can safely assume you've done a (another? tends to be the same names?) great job

Geoff

People are writing nice things about me and I've missed it !

Have to admit, I was planning to do msts versions of some of my railsim models but, as Jon pointed out, the responce to the first one (the 2MT tank) was virtually non existant (I think one person bothered to comment), and the download figures weren't good. I, therefore, assumed there was no interest and so gave up on the idea.

Cheers,

Kevin

kevmt wrote:People are writing nice things about me and I've missed it !

Have to admit, I was planning to do msts versions of some of my railsim models but, as Jon pointed out, the responce to the first one (the 2MT tank) was virtually non existant (I think one person bothered to comment), and the download figures weren't good. I, therefore, assumed there was no interest and so gave up on the idea.

Cheers,

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

Consider the quality of the appreciation rather than the quantity ? The trouble is that there is SO much variety in MSTS all these years on that practically anyone can indulge their personal favourites in era, region and type of traction. That together with when stuff is released must have an effect on downloads initially? ...but a great model is a great model and eventually the word gets around. Either by posts, use in activities or even through folk like me looking at all sims, even when they don't have them all. IMHO Kevin your models will always be appreciated by serious kettle fans so please don't give up on the old sims yet Eventually the youngsters will get tired of the modern stuff and if they're real rail fans come to find out why steam has such a dedicated following and why that era was more complex?

Geoff

I have also considered the possibility of converting signals specifically constructed for RS/RW to MSTS, eg LED colour-light ones. As they were initially constructed in TSM it is relatively easy to export them directly to MSTS, especially as I have now solved the problem of TSM failing to install and operate in 64-bit Windows 7, actually, someone else solved it for 64-bit XP, wrote down the procedure, and posted it across the pond on Train-sim.com. It is down to motivation now.

John

It is good to see you might still consider MSTS John!
Some of us did try to express our appreciation of Kevin`s work in this thread.
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... t&start=75
and here
http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=102005
Kevin`s Ivatt is a super model, the download count is high, and I repeat my thanks.
I do hope in future there will be exchanges of models in both directions between MSTS and RW. This might need collaboration with a helper in the opposite camp, for testing and tweaking.
Rick

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... tt#p615396
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Still one of my favourite screenshots. Somewhere I've a shot of the real location that shows just what a great job 3DTS(UK) and Kevin have done here.

As soon as I track it down I'll post it here.

Geoff

There is another fantastic loco Kevin made which if it's still in the liberary is a BR 2MT Mogul in Green I down loaded it some time ago.

The only thing I've done is change the cabview from the Scotsman one, to the Ivatt cab supplied with one of the BATS addons.

It's a superb little model which I can recommend to every one who is interested in steam,and goes well with his 2MT Tank Loco's.

Thank you Kevin for some fine 2MT's.

Michael