European Bahn returning to MSTS

[jbilton]

I think the debate has been good, although we still have no definitive answer as to why EB are apparently not developing for RailWorks and only they can answer that if they feel so inclined.

Hi
Well I'm guessing
They are a small producer, who are happy with what they do.
Their products sell relatively well , as you very rarely see an EB product heavily reduced.
Cheers
Jon

[Acorncomputer]

Their products sell relatively well , as you very rarely see an EB product heavily reduced.

That is just a guess, only EB know how well their products sell.

Prices that are not reduced can indicate poor sales. Reduced prices are often a sign of marginal costing where sales have been so good that costs and profits have been covered already and every extra sale represents mainly pure profit. Something that RS.com do all the time I think.

On the other hand, with limited resources, sales at a non-discounted rate are possibly just right to provide the developer with a calculated return.

This is not really our business, however, and guessing is just that, and is no answer.

[gswindale]

I would have thought that part of their reasoning is that there is still a (reasonably) healthy market for MSTS add-ons.

[lateagain]

Any chance this thread could get back to EB at some point, PLEASE?

The thread is about EB. EB is not a unique developer and as the first reaction to their announcement (SEE very 1st post) in the MSTS forums was answered by complaints about them adandoning RW it's hardly surprising that the debate followed this course? If you want an EB "wish list" post for MSTS that's equally off topic?

I don't know about others but these my sim is better than your sim threads are too frequent and frankly, boring. There are those of us who have made their minds up and not going to change which sim we prefer to use.

If that's what people post EVERY TIME anyone raises any criticism or reasoning for their not having bought something then the objectives that I and others have outlined will never come to fruition. Concerns about RW add-on pricing are TOTALLY relevant to this debate as are the actions of other commercial users. Many of us have REPEATEDLY pointed out that there is no need for exclusivity as far as Simming is concerned so frankly this tired and trite line about mine is better than yours is nonsense. I've BVE, MSTS, FS9, FSX and Silent Hunters II, III & IV. ...so I'm hardly closed minded about Sims. They all have strengths and weaknesses.

If that gets under anyone's skin, then good.

Frankly Niall I feel you've misunderstood the situation and/or relevance of what's been posted ....and sadly you're not alone
Sorry if that seems bad tempered but frankly your post is pretty insulting to those who've given these problems some thought and dismissive of those on a limited budget.

[rufuskins]

The final arbiter in this whole argument in our essentially capitalist economy is the MARKET!

This drives everything and will decide the fate of all commercial sims, etc.

It is to be assumed that EB have analysed their market and decided that in the short term MSTS offers them the best return.

Time alone will tell, but how the market for sim content developes will also depend on new entrants to the hobby and their subsequent take up of add-ons, etc.

Ruf

[ashgray]

Any chance this thread could get back to EB at some point, PLEASE?

The thread is about EB. EB is not a unique developer and as the first reaction to their announcement (SEE very 1st post) in the MSTS forums was answered by complaints about them adandoning RW it's hardly surprising that the debate followed this course? If you want an EB "wish list" post for MSTS that's equally off topic?

I don't know about others but these my sim is better than your sim threads are too frequent and frankly, boring. There are those of us who have made their minds up and not going to change which sim we prefer to use.

If that's what people post EVERY TIME anyone raises any criticism or reasoning for their not having bought something then the objectives that I and others have outlined will never come to fruition. Concerns about RW add-on pricing are TOTALLY relevant to this debate as are the actions of other commercial users. Many of us have REPEATEDLY pointed out that there is no need for exclusivity as far as Simming is concerned so frankly this tired and trite line about mine is better than yours is nonsense. I've BVE, MSTS, FS9, FSX and Silent Hunters II, III & IV. ...so I'm hardly closed minded about Sims. They all have strengths and weaknesses.

If that gets under anyone's skin, then good.

Frankly Niall I feel you've misunderstood the situation and/or relevance of what's been posted ....and sadly you're not alone
Sorry if that seems bad tempered but frankly your post is pretty insulting to those who've given these problems some thought and dismissive of those on a limited budget.

Geoff - Glyn has already asked people to stay on-topic, so could you please let this drop now.

Ash

[danny3]

I did make a comment about EB's HS1 route but it was buried by the other conversation, so I'd thought that I would post it again, since i'm not sure if anyone knows about the update on the eb website (since its on topic?)

There has been an update on the HS1 route with a video and a picture of their Class 395 "Javelin". To tell the truth the Javelin doesn't look that bad, although the route only includes four stations from the looks of it (Ashford International, Ebbsfleet International, Stratford International and St Pancras International).

I was hoping for more but its still a fair bit of a route though? (Ebbsfleet - Faversham or Ashford - Dover), although I do have a couple of questions though, will the stations on the c2c line be included that run parallel to it near Rainham? and will there be a 3rd rail version of the Javelin?

http://www.europeanbahn.co.uk/eb_hs1-001.htm

[NiallGray]

Decidedly underwhelmed by it.

Still wish there'd been a major* expansion to LSC, ECE or WCE. They were core routes that they did well with and I think a lot of people would be interested if those routes were extended. But it's their choice, they do what they think will sell.


* Major, as in more than a few miles.

[gswindale]

Question for EB about HS1:

Will it link into Midland Mainline?

Looks like pretty much any other of their routes - generic scenery and basic textures.

I'm still waiting for them to release the rest of the West Midlands network - miles of track & plenty of scope for varied freight/passenger activities.

I'm just hoping that one of their beta testers has at least a primary school education in spelling and grammar.

[tubemad]

hmm, not having a go Geoff but I would imagine the spelling on the website etc might mean Ken has a slight disability?

I don't know myself really but you never know...

[Easilyconfused]

I think this is best stopped right now. Yes it has been acknowledged that both the website and the products have had some spelling issues.

Exploring why here is not helpful and won't be tolerated. Some of the patches have corrected the mistakes when pointed out via the EB support ticketing system.

[tubemad]

Sorry John,

Just wanted to make a serious point, for those who don't look on the other side of things

[carlwestwood]

Question for EB about HS1:

Will it link into Midland Mainline?

Due to an unfortunate database error, as far as im aware, HS1 will not be connectable with the MML

I'm just hoping that one of their beta testers has at least a primary school education in spelling and grammar.

and theres no need for comments like that. I do hope you realise that it is very upsetting for some people to read such comments!

[gswindale]

Ok, a public apology if my comment earlier offended anybody.

However, and I'm posting this from my own personal long-standing view point, if you look at the various websites out there of commercial MSTS products, the EB one does give me the impression of being an amateur outfit.

This is simply a statement of how I view the various websites, as if I'm totally honest, the UKTS website looks a little old & tired, but clearly all sites are being run in people's spare time and we should simply be grateful that they exist and people are supporting the sim.

Personally I think we need to draw a line under this issue (and once again my apologies for bringing it up) and lock the topic as I feel that getting back to the original topic is probably beyond what is possible now.

[ashgray]

Agreed

Ash