Train Store Problem

[scampispeedway]

Hi, I need some advice on how to delete 3 named routes all called Ashburton which are in Train Store Route directory, these have been created by firstly renaming the original V1.0 download to another folder name in MSTS Route Directory so that when I load the V2.0 not yet bought, it will not get in the way and then having to reload the original route again after I corrupted the second one after changing the .eng file.
The second was the renamed one but because I tried to add sound to the loco in the cab view looking forward at the controls I thought that by doing this, this caused a problem with Crossing Gate at Staverton which did not open as I approached, I reloaded my backup file of the .eng file but after trying again Train Store gave me an error message.
The third is original one reloaded again without the cab sound, and by doing the run to assure me it was running o.k. but the error at the Crossing Gates was still there, and so I obviously missed it first time.
I have been advised by the author of the original route to get the version 2.0 of his route as this was better than his first attempt.
I have today removed temporarily to another location in my computer, the second and third route files from the MSTS route folder and I do not intend to use them again.
I think reading the manual that it is not possible to delete routes from the Train Store Route list even ones that are deleted in the MSTS Route listing.
Can someone help me in getting round this problem as I am a novice at using Train Store and not being a computer wizard do not feel confident it altering things that might only make it worse.
I manage to load routes, running a consist in the Explore Route mode, even changing engines and where possible consists when exploring routes and running Activities and I now understand the need to unstore the route when running a downloaded Activity but apart from that I'm lost.
If it is not possible to delete these Routes from Train Store, would it work if I deleted Train Store and reloaded it now that I have removed the files that I don't want as it will only recognise the routes I now have in MSTS.
Any advice would be gratefully received as I like a tidy route store list in Train Store and it bugs me to see three Ashburton names listed and possibly a fourth when I buy V2.0 later on after the postal strike gets sorted out.
Thanks Bob

[ronald parkin]

Hi Bob, Wow. If you want to remove any route at all this is what to do,Un-store trainstore then
follow this>> Start/My Computer/C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Train Simulator\ROUTES
if you open the routes folder and just delete the Ashburton folders they will not appear again in train store because
when you reload TS the first thing it does is copy the routes folder as it see it ,if they still appear it could be that you will need to un-install Trainstore,that will put everything back into MSTS.That will get rid of the routes but any stock and consists that came with the route will still be in your train and consist folders, They can then be removed ( if you want ) by using Route_Riter .

Regards

Ron P

[scampispeedway]

Hi Ronald, thanks for your reply as I said in my posting despite removing the two files from the MSTS route folder after unstoring the Routes, Train Store has them and the first one still in the Routes listing.
That is why I thought the only way to get rid of them is to remove Train Store altogether and start again, like I did when I first loaded it with only a one extra route in the MSTS Route list.
When I was attending I think the Model Railway Show at Warwick where UkTrainsim live were attending, I was advised to download and install Train Store if I wanted to save any problems in future when I add more routes.
This I did and now as I have downloaded several more of the free CD's handed out at the other shows I have attended and bought the Big Vern's 5 Route Compilation CD because of my local Alston Branch Line was included, I have even more routes to try out.
Ashburton was my first attempt at downloading and installing a route from the data base and while I have gained some experience at doing this, it certainly pays to check any route to see if there is a better 2nd or 3rd version as I don't want to have to keep doing this.
Anyway there is no panic as yet to un-install Train Store as I am in the middle of a busy period of jobs at home and I am tackling a long but easy Activity driving a Diesel Sprinter Train from Wick to Inverness stopping at least 20 stations.
I thought this was the best way to get round the problem but was advised by one the forum members who had helped me with my download problem to post the problem and see if anyone could come up with a better way.
Thanks again
Bob

[douglee]

Hi Bob,
To answer the level crossing gate problem. If you corrected the error on the default S&C route, and the route author used a 'non corrected' crossing gate. Then the error is reversed so to speak.
If you did correct the original. What you need to do is go to Routes/Europe2/Shapes find the 'UKCrossGate.s' file and copy & paste it into the Ahburton Route Shapes folder.
There was a donwnloadable fix but do you think I can find it. Maybe someone reading this knows the ID? (if it is still available from the site). Or even knows a better solution, there so many clever pepople out there. Grovel,Grovle.

[ashgray]

The default Settle & Carlisle level crossing gate fix is part of the "Tweaks, Utils & Improvements" pack:

MSTS Tweaks, Utils and Improvements [5280438 bytes] - MSTS_Basics.zip File ID: 9685 Date: 15 Jul 2004 - 17679 Downloads

Ashley

[douglee]

Hi Ashley,
I am not suprised there is someone cleverer (that don't look right) than me. Thanks.

[scampispeedway]

Hi Doug, thats great news I have still kept the original working Ashburton V1.0 in a renamed route folder away from MSTS and so I can put it back and alter it as we did the first time to add the sound to the cab and know that this was not the reason for the Crossing Gates error.
Like you, I have already made changes to the Carlisle-Settle route Crossing Gates using the Tweaks fix and thought about doing the same to the Ashburton Route but did not think that that would work.
I therefore know what to do, and can easily to change it because I have already looked at the Shapes folder for the Ashburton route and seen the file that needs changing the same way.
Doug, you know that when I started to look at changing the 1470.eng file to add the sound and I could not see it, so I had to do a general search for it.
Well, while searching the forum last night for an answer to my original question of getting rid of the Unused Ashburton Names in Train Store. I came across a reply by Ronald Parkin to a question on another Train Store Problem and he explained where the .eng and .wag files are moved to by Train Store and the need to unstore everything before touching MSTS files.
I am gaining more and more knowledge about the ins and outs of MSTS and Trainstore and will not make the same mistakes again.
Thanks again from all the forum members who have helped me with my various requests and as an old lady friend said to me the other day, I may not have many friends that I go out with on a regular basis at home, but I am through UKtrainsim forum making new ones while sorting out the problems of MSTS.

Bob

[douglee]

Hi Bob,
There you go. The more the merrier.

[Tonysmedley]

just to confirm what has been reffered to earlier. You will find the items that Train Store has stored in a folder called train store to be found in your C: drive(or whatever drive you have used to place the main Train Store program) Just open drive C ; and look for Train Store This 'stored items' folder is not in the Progam Files where the main Train Store program is located. you will find in it folders labelled TSDATA, ROUTES and TRAINS They don't contain everything that is is in the similarly named main MSTS files - just those items which Train Store has temporarily removed to speed up running the simulation.

[scampispeedway]

Hi Tony, yes I have now looked in the routes section of the Main Train Store folder on my C; drive and as you say all the routes folders that I have had in MSTS are there, so is it an easy matter to get rid of the two I don't want by deleting them.
So that when I run Train Store again only the one I want to keep will remain and I can then add the sound to the cab as before and alter the crossing gate fix as well to the V1.0 so improving an already lovely route through the devon countryside.
Will I need to unstore everything in Train Store before I do this or can I go straight ahead and delete the two folders, if this is the answer to deleting old, corrupted and unwanted routes names from the Train Store listing, it saves me the hassle from uninstalling Train Store and starting again.
I'll await you reply with interest as I said before with my lack of knowledge it always pays to check before doing any changes to my MSTS and Train Store settings.
By the way Doug, I didn't unstore everything the first time as you told me, but only unstored the routes as I thought this is what you meant.
This could have caused the corruption of the 1470.eng file in my renamed 1st Ashburton route folder, I see that it is in the tool section of the Train Store main page and know where it is the next time and so I should see both the 1470.eng and Scotsman.eng files in their respective loco folders instead of being stored in Trainstore where they were hiding.

Bob(also an old one if you take into account my age)

[Tonysmedley]

Bob,

I believe that the official advice is not to deal directly with items in the Train Store "store" but to unstore them first. If you do not and have altered something in the main MSTS, it may cause trouble later. However if you delete an item in both in Train Store store and in the MSTS Trainset folder it should not cause trouble. ( and watch out if you have left a consist begind with any of the items in it that you have scrubbed!)

Tony ( the 84+ years old one)

[douglee]

Hi Bob,
Yes Tony is right. Although as I think I said elsewhere, Trainstore needs the folders it creates so leave them alone. Read it once and then read it again. Just like the Airfix kits. No harm in looking though.

If we are talking age. The Queen has reigned as long as I have, but she hasn't driven as many trucks.

[scampispeedway]

Hi Doug and Tony, well don't worry as I am not going to do anything in trying to delete any Route folders within Train Store, but this morning I used unstore everthing for the first time just to see what happens.
I now know that by doing this, it puts everything back into MSTS that it had in store, as a matter of interest I looked again at the main Trainstore folders on my C; drive and only the TSdata folder was available.
I then restarted Trainstore to download my Activity I am doing and after doing a few more Stations, I saved the run and left it at that for the time being.
On relooking at the Train Store main folder again everything is back as it was and looking in the routes folder listing the unwanted ones are all back as well.
This means the only way I can see, to get rid of these unwanted route names in Train Store is unstore everything and uninstall and reinstall Trainstore so it is starting up fresh again.
I am not sure if the TSDATA folder retains all the information it had before and puts it back when you re-use it again after unstoring everything, I will look in the manual about this.
What do you think ?, I think I have seen somewhere in the manual about having another set of TSDATA but once again until someone tells me this is ok, I won't do anything.
At the moment it is not desperate to fix this problem, and I will see what I learn over the next few months by looking on the forum.

Thanks again for advice.
Bob

[douglee]

Hi again Bob,
Noticing your 4 score years and 4. You will be familiar with 'If it 'ain't broke don't fix it' and 'If in doubt brew up'. Both apply here.
Why do you want to uninstall Trainstore?, as it is doing everything it is supposed to. It is working fine. Even your unwanted routes will not interfere with MSTS while they are 'in store'.

In fact I have some faulty rolling stock that keeps throwing up error messages when unstored, but when stored no error messages.

If you really want to delete these routes, then use the 'unstore everything' button on Trainstore and delete the route folders you want from MSTS, once gone they will be in your ever growing recycle bin. Only delete the routes not any Consists or Trains (rolling stock). That will screw up MSTS.

I will say again and I'm sure Tony will agree leave the workings of Trainstore alone. It does not need any help.

[ronald parkin]

Hi Bob, Got to agree with Douglee Just unstore Train Store, then go into your MSTS/Routes folder and zapp it . That 's how I remove any of mine. If the route came with any engines or rolling stock, that will still be in the folders and can be used in explore mode , just like when you download any UKTS engine. You should have no need to un-install Train Store
Regards

Ron P