KRS Brake and UK trains

[JLChauvin]

I found a solution to the "non-graduated release" problem, at lest on HST and Class 66:
GraduatedSelfLapLimitedHolding must be replaced by GraduatedSelfLap
In class43_ic.bin, class43.bin, class43_fgw.bin, class166_dmocl.bin, class166_dmos.bin, class166_dmocl_fgw.bin and class166_dmos_fgw.bin.
More to come about KRS brakes...
JLC

[AndyUK]

Thanks for that information, I've now got the HST and Class 166 brakes set up the way they should have been from the outset except for the notches.

I also tried the same edit for the Deltic but got a strange result, the brake pipe pressure now varies according to the handle position in both release and application but the bogie brake cylinder pressures don't. Also noticed that the Deltic is set up for single pipe air not twin pipe, correcting that appeared to give the result that the brakes were either on or off!

Not tried the 47 yet, but if I get that or the Deltic sorted out I'll let you know.

Andy L

[JLChauvin]

I deleted RailSim from my computer two days ago, I was frustrated not to be able to make notched train brake handle to work
We need "labeled" notched positions, either in bar: 0.4bar, 0.6bar... or in PSI: 6PSI, 9PSI.
I don't remember this problem with Deltic brake, but brake cylinder pressure gauge don't move when applying independent brake... an other bug...
I will wait the next patch...

I have also a solution for the Class66 combined handle to match good regulator positions:
OFF = 0.3636
1 = 0.4545
2 = 0.5454
3 = 0.6363
4 = 0.7272
5 = 0.8181
6 = 0.9191
7 = 1.000

JLC

[JLChauvin]

If someone want to try:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jnpnzybapvt
Any comments will be welcome.
Jean-Louis

[AndyUK]

If someone want to try:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jnpnzybapvt
Any comments will be welcome.
Jean-Louis

Thanks for the modified Class 166 files, they worked well for me. I came to the same conclusion as you about needing "labelled" notch positions to get notched braking to work, perhaps that's why it wasn't corrected in Upgrade Mk1. I hope that RSDL are monitoring this part of the forum and aren't putting the physics bugs in the too difficult pile, some official feedback would be welcome.

Andy L

[higherbrimley]

If someone want to try:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jnpnzybapvt
Any comments will be welcome.
Jean-Louis

Many thanks for this class 166 brake Patch/Amendment!

The class 166 now feels like the real thing and is so much more enjoyable to drive ... thank you

Is there any way the same could be done with the HST Gradual Lapping Brake, because I find the RS/KUJU model not quite like the real thing!

PB

[TheTazman]

hi

What are these for exactly?

Cheers

[higherbrimley]

hi

What are these for exactly?

Cheers

If by "these" you mean the class166.zip file mentioned above. Then...when installed it improves the brake-force/efficiently of the class 166/165 brakes and does away with the irritating gradual lap which causes a delay when trying to " blow the brakes off"

I personally feel the Turbo feels more like the real thing now!

PB

[wolly1380]

I deleted RailSim from my computer two days ago, I was frustrated not to be able to make notched train brake handle to work
We need "labeled" notched positions, either in bar: 0.4bar, 0.6bar... or in PSI: 6PSI, 9PSI.
I don't remember this problem with Deltic brake, but brake cylinder pressure gauge don't move when applying independent brake... an other bug...
I will wait the next patch...

I have also a solution for the Class66 combined handle to match good regulator positions:
OFF = 0.3636
1 = 0.4545
2 = 0.5454
3 = 0.6363
4 = 0.7272
5 = 0.8181
6 = 0.9191
7 = 1.000

JLC

Sorry to be a bit of a num nut's here but were is this to go??

[AndyUK]

It is a list of alternative values to put in the section of the 'class166_dmos.bin' and 'class166_dmocl.bin' files that define the visual positions of the "throttle" (as it is called in the files) control for each power notch. I've not tried it but I believe the object of editing the values to those given is to make the handle positions line up better with the notches marked on the control desk.

Andy L

[wolly1380]

I have also a solution for the Class66 combined handle to match good regulator positions:
OFF = 0.3636
1 = 0.4545
2 = 0.5454
3 = 0.6363
4 = 0.7272
5 = 0.8181
6 = 0.9191
7 = 1.000

JLC

Sorry to be a bit of a num nut's here but were is this to go??

Am still in need to know were in the class66 bin file this goes I know what it's for just not sure were it goes.
I am impressed with the changes with the class 166 it is now very driveable it actualy stops relitve to it's application I feel now that if I did use full service I'd be stopping rather shapishly is there any way this change can be applyed to the class 66.

[AndyUK]

I have also a solution for the Class66 combined handle to match good regulator positions:
OFF = 0.3636
1 = 0.4545
2 = 0.5454
3 = 0.6363
4 = 0.7272
5 = 0.8181
6 = 0.9191
7 = 1.000

JLC

Sorry to be a bit of a num nut's here but were is this to go??

Am still in need to know were in the class66 bin file this goes I know what it's for just not sure were it goes.
I am impressed with the changes with the class 166 it is now very driveable it actualy stops relitve to it's application I feel now that if I did use full service I'd be stopping rather shapishly is there any way this change can be applyed to the class 66.

I assumed that the reference to the Class66 in the post you're looking at must be a typo, I should have pointed it out in my first reply to you. I say it's a typo because the 66 was not released until at least a month after that post was made and the 66 doesn't have a combined handle. Sorry, but I don't have the 66 so I can't help you with any modifications.

Andy L

[wolly1380]

Arr I see thought it might of been a typo it's just hoped someone could fix the poor train brakes.

[JLChauvin]

Yes, this is a typo.
You must read 166.
It's just to developer team to fix the poor train brakes. But that don't seem to be done... nor to be done in the future!
End of transmission...

[CaptScarlet]

Yes, this is a typo.
You must read 166.
It's just to developer team to fix the poor train brakes. But that don't seem to be done... nor to be done in the future!
End of transmission...

I noticed that RSadam in relation to the MK3 upgrade mentioned that

Right now, our "target" is an overhaul of the Brakes and Dispatcher. The key word being target. Anything else we do to the core sim between Mk2 and Mk3 will also be included.

and

Many of things mentioned above about Brakes are actually content errors in the setup of the stock rather than problems with RailSim. Also remember that I said we were looking at an overhaul which is effectively improvements. This does not indicate that brakes are a problem already. We are aware of some shortfalls though so these will be addressed as well.

John