Time for some new shots

dfisher1 · Post by **dfisher1** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:59 am

Just seen that Amazon has got KRS up on its website --- I've put in my order, though it doesn't look like I'll get it until November

gary1 · Post by **gary1** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:47 pm

g0fthick wrote:
tads1970 wrote:
I also know developers get annoyed when they are constantly pushed for more media whilst they work their asses off to finish the product.

Many on this forum requesting a release date are not actually against KRS but the opposite. We are well aware that there is not enough room for 2 trainsims to commercially operate in this competitive market and personally I would be very happy if it was KRS rather than MS. Unfortunately the successful developer is likely to be the one who launches his product first and it becomes established rather than the better quality.

It would be a real pity if the product is not available....'when it's ready'

g0fthick · Post by **g0fthick** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:49 pm

gary1 wrote:We are well aware that there is not enough room for 2 trainsims to commercially operate in this competitive market and personally I would be very happy if it was KRS rather than MS. Unfortunately the successful developer is likely to be the one who launches his product first and it becomes established rather than the better quality.

Well firstly MSTSX has nothing but a few details to it's name. No screenshots, no renders, nothing.

That suggests it's still early days regarding content creation, so i really don't see the need to rush KRS when it's quite clear that they have over a year's lead in the development process.

Besides, i would probably buy both in time, and i expect many other enthusiasts would. MSTS only beat Trainz to the mainstream enthusiast's hard drive because it came first. It had no competition and so it was easy pickings.

gary1 · Post by **gary1** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:22 pm

g0fthick wrote: Well firstly MSTSX has nothing but a few details to it's name. No screenshots, no renders, nothing.
That suggests it's still early days regarding content creation, so i really don't see the need to rush KRS when it's quite clear that they have over a year's lead in the development process..

It may or may be not early days for MSTSX but look at the huge resources available to MS and their proven success against competitors. If they are aware that with additional resources they can overtake KRS to an earlier launch date and sense blood those resources WILL be almost certainly made available to MS.
I, like yourself will probably buy both products (if there are 2), but only one may survive and the retailer let alone the customer will chose the first not the best. Even if KRS just beat MS to launch, retailers may not be interested if they know a Microsoft product will be available very soon. So the emphasis shouldn't be just beating MS but beating them by a reasonable timescale.

g0fthick wrote:MSTS only beat Trainz to the mainstream enthusiast's hard drive because it came first. It had no competition and so it was easy pickings.

My exact point, thankyou.

Fodda · Post by **Fodda** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:33 pm

We are well aware that there is not enough room for 2 trainsims to commercially operate in this competitive market and personally I would be very happy if it was KRS rather than MS. Unfortunately the successful developer is likely to be the one who launches his product first and it becomes established rather than the better quality.

It would be a real pity if the product is not available....'when it's ready'

I don't see that point myself. There are already two train sims on the market, and the fact that MS think there's life in the train sim market means the worldwide market must be fairly large or they wouldn't bother going with the aborted MSTS2, and the latest MSTSX.

I'm looking forward to both sims. After all, the more there is in the market, the better the competition, and the better the end results for us will be.

Tazman... SHIII is definitely worth getting. I was running it very nicely thanks you on my old 3700+ AMD with an old ATI X800GT graphics card, and it ran with all detail and sliders on full, and I got some great feel for it.

SHIV though really really stuttered on the old system, especially in a convoy. But now that I have an uber-machine, I can run that too with all teh bells and whistles. SHIII is definitely better, but SHIV looks gorgeous.

gary1 · Post by **gary1** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:42 pm

Fodda wrote: ...and the fact that MS think there's life in the train sim market means the worldwide market must be fairly large or they wouldn't bother going with the aborted MSTS2, and the latest MSTSX.
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They probably don't, knowing MS they expect to win and become the dominant developer in a small market.

Could I also suggest that you refrain from spamming my mailbox with your juvenile rantings. I am particular who I receive mail from.

ashgray · Post by **ashgray** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:59 pm

OK, keep it polite and non-confrontational please.

Ashley

Fodda · Post by **Fodda** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:11 pm

Oh for gods sake!

One PM refuting your nasty litte snide remarks on another thread does not constitute SPAM by any means.

MODS... Does one PM constitute SPAM?

gary1 · Post by **gary1** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:37 pm

Fodda wrote:Oh for gods sake!

One PM refuting your nasty litte snide remarks on another thread does not constitute SPAM by any means.

MODS... Does one PM constitute SPAM?

In your case YES, if you are not man enough to make your remarks on a public forum don't spam me with your drivel on pm.

dfisher1 · Post by **dfisher1** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:00 pm

I seem to remember someone mentioning that the demo would be 3 months ahead of release?

Is this true, or was it a figment or my imagination? If so taking Nov as the release month, then the demo should be available in August -- thats not too long to wait even if it is only a demo - something is better than nothing!

tads1970 · Post by **tads1970** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:05 pm

A demo would be nice,but......i really cant see it,i think KUJU have enough to do already without putting a demo together before the main release.
Daz

adam3544 · Post by **adam3544** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:29 pm

Take a look here. This is Trainz:
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=315

Adam

Website · Post by **Easilyconfused** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:36 pm

adam3544 wrote:Take a look here. This is Trainz:
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=315

Adam

And this what what to do with KRS ?

Kindest regards

John

g0fthick · Post by **g0fthick** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:11 am

dfisher1 wrote:I seem to remember someone mentioning that the demo would be 3 months ahead of release?

Doesn't seem to make sense, maybe a month tops which would give them time to iron out any bugs beta users run into, but 3 months ahead of release would be alpha testing at best.

gary1 wrote:It may or may be not early days for MSTSX but look at the huge resources available to MS and their proven success against competitors. If they are aware that with additional resources they can overtake KRS to an earlier launch date and sense blood those resources WILL be almost certainly made available to MS.

I don't know what you mean by that first sentence, are you suggesting that MSTSX should support MSTS models? Because that makes little sense to me.

Also Kuju developed the first game in association with Microsoft Game Studios, so i'd imagine alot of the game is still legally binded to Kuju restricting what they can reuse (which in my opinion is a bad idea, a new simulator is better than an upgrade).

CaptainBazza · Post by **CaptainBazza** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:12 am

It has been clearly stated that KRS is ALL new code and that TSX will be based on the FSX engine.

Can we please forget incestuous train sim relationships, thanks, it's time we moved on to more interesting speculations.

Cheers Bazza