Dual Voltage Routes

ajax103 · Post by **ajax103** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:09 pm

Is the Rail Sim world advance enough to now warrant dual voltage systems?

Now I'm using the Finsbury Park to Moorgate line as a example, now between
Finsbury Park and Drayton Park OHLE is used but from Drayton Park to Moorgate, the 3rd rail system is used.

Would it actually be possible to do in KRS?, also could it improve on MSTS by making it easier to have full electric routes and part electric routes, ie Mid East Plus gets released as a modern day route set in the 2000's for KRS in three years time and the Spalding line isn't electrified, yet the ECML is powered by the OHLE.

I know it would be a lot of sweat, blood and tears but surely it would be worth it in the long run?

jivebunny · Post by **jivebunny** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:32 pm

It's very soon to be possible in TRS so I can't see why it couldn't be done in a future version of KRS. Certainly adds an interesting side to things

JB

CaptainBazza · Post by **CaptainBazza** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:31 am

Maybe it's scriptable?

Cheers Bazza

KlausM · Post by **KlausM** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 7:05 am

jivebunny wrote:It's very soon to be possible in TRS...

Although off-topic, but TRS does not bother about 3rd rail/catenary anyway (simulation-wise). So I don't get the statement.

Klaus

stuartrayner · Post by **stuartrayner** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:08 am

It actually seems to be possible in MSTS too. The Wesymouth Harbour branch of Dorset Coast is not electrified. I drove an EMU onto the branch, and slowly ground to a halt.

I had assumed it was due to clever modelling of a hidden catenary in the track shapes, but if this were the case I would surely have been able to run the EMU.

richard222 · Post by **richard222** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:38 pm

stuartrayner wrote:It actually seems to be possible in MSTS too. The Wesymouth Harbour branch of Dorset Coast is not electrified. I drove an EMU onto the branch, and slowly ground to a halt.

I had assumed it was due to clever modelling of a hidden catenary in the track shapes, but if this were the case I would surely have been able to run the EMU.

You sure it wasn't because the Weymouth Tramway is a 5mph line and no EMU goes that slow, therefore the emergency brake applies.

jivebunny · Post by **jivebunny** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:14 pm

KlausM wrote:
jivebunny wrote:It's very soon to be possible in TRS...
Although off-topic, but TRS does not bother about 3rd rail/catenary anyway (simulation-wise). So I don't get the statement.

Klaus

The words "soon to be possible" are a clue

KlausM · Post by **KlausM** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:03 am

jivebunny wrote:The words "soon to be possible" are a clue

I still don't understand. It was never impossible. If you relate to "Trainz Classics", "Trainz Driver" or TRS2007 -- as far as I read, no dramatical improvements happen compared to previous releases.

Klaus

Mike10 · Post by **Mike10** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:41 pm

KlausM wrote:
jivebunny wrote:The words "soon to be possible" are a clue
I still don't understand. It was never impossible. If you relate to "Trainz Classics", "Trainz Driver" or TRS2007 -- as far as I read, no dramatical improvements happen compared to previous releases.

Klaus

Some people are working on a system where a loco knows if there is catenary, 3rd rail, or neither, in order to have the relevant engine spec in operation and to have the pantograph/pickup shoes deployed/retracted.

Early days, but it does seem possible.

Mike.

KlausM · Post by **KlausM** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:18 pm

Well, I consider such a feature as quite unimportant, like the implementation of spectacular crashes. But maybe I'm in a minority.

Klaus

captaincooke · Post by **captaincooke** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:54 am

KlausM wrote:Well, I consider such a feature as quite unimportant, like the implementation of spectacular crashes. But maybe I'm in a minority.

Klaus

It may be unimportant to you and me, but good luck to them as it's no skin off my nose.

ajax103 · Post by **ajax103** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:48 pm

KlausM wrote:Well, I consider such a feature as quite unimportant, like the implementation of spectacular crashes. But maybe I'm in a minority.

Klaus

I have to disagree with you as seeing as they have AWS, TPWS etc, why not go the full way and give route builders more choice in how they want their lines to appear for realism sake.

I wouldn't mind seeing trains developed with dual voltage systems like a Class 73, 92, 313, 365, 319, but that system I believe is in sometime in the future.

AndyM77 · Post by **AndyM77** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:37 pm

ajax103 wrote: I wouldn't mind seeing trains developed with dual voltage systems like a Class 73, 92, 313, 365, 319, but that system I believe is in sometime in the future.

Eldavo is creating a payware Class 92 loco, so that'll probably be the first test of this dual voltage theory.

RSAdam · Post by **RSAdam** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:51 pm

Rail Simulator can currently have upto 4 different track power supplies in any one route. We have so far included options for:

Unpowered
Overhead Wires
3rd Rail (As seen in the south of England)
4th Rail (As seen on the London underground)

Of the 4 default routes included in Rail Simulator none use all four power types, however the tool set available allows for their application.

Cheers
KujuAdam | http://www.railsimulator.com

ajax103 · Post by **ajax103** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:01 pm

KujuAdam wrote:Rail Simulator can currently have upto 4 different track power supplies in any one route. We have so far included options for:
Unpowered
Overhead Wires
3rd Rail (As seen in the south of England)
4th Rail (As seen on the London underground)
Of the 4 default routes included in Rail Simulator none use all four power types, however the tool set available allows for their application.

Cheers
KujuAdam | http://www.railsimulator.com

Sweet, thank you,

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