Website Update: Deltic details!

mickoo737 · Post by **mickoo737** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:42 pm

The Black 5 captures that prototype nicely, the HST is even better, the DB101 looks pretty slick, the Deltic, well Lima did a better job, as Jon says theres little or no bogie detail....compare to the HST which is cracking...., the nose is the worng shape and does not capture the bullish feel and aura of the real loco, no exhaust ports, headcode not right and l'm not convinced by the windscreen.

Purist has nothing to do with it, your paying good money for the product, you expect the best they can give, the Deltic is not of the same mould as the other locos previewed.

Dont like it ?, make better yourself ?, may well just do that, to be blunt 23,000 polys on a diesel will get you much better than that.

Agree with the Black 5 smoke box leathery look, however it doesnt distract as much as mis-shaped loco bodies, you can always add your own textures later, you cannot alter the models nose or other shapes after release.

Best

Michael

TheTazman · Post by **TheTazman** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 8:24 pm

Having never seen a deltic in real life I decided to take a look at the pics on http://www.thedps.co.uk. I can see that from the pic in the PDF newsletter that the front of the deltic does look a little different. The pic I am comparing this to is

http://www.thedps.co.uk/gallery/album27/IMGP0614_copy.

This is 55019 so I am not sure if 55001 was was any different as it was the first one built. When i saw the PDF i was very impressed with the deltic as the body of it does look pretty damn accurate but I can see compared with the photo above that maybe it could be improved a little here and there.

Regards

Tazman

ForburyLion · Post by **ForburyLion** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:19 pm

Let's have some perspective:
http://www.amabilis.com/gallery/Matthew ... 0Small.JPG

mickoo737 · Post by **mickoo737** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:40 pm

ForburyLion wrote:Let's have some perspective:
http://www.amabilis.com/gallery/Matthew ... 0Small.JPG

Why ?, KRS got the Black 5 pretty well spot on, the HST even better, the DB 101 too, so why should Deltic fans take it on the nose ?.

Says it took them a month to build, sadly it shows, looks like a Deltic but doesn't capture the charisma or air l'm afraid.

Maybe l'm over critical, but compared to the other loco previews l think l and others have a case, if they were all to the same standard then fine but the Deltic isn't, not with standing body issues those bogie's are......well dreadful, no brake gear, rigging guard irons, axel box safety straps, hand brake levers, jacking pads, all of which would take about another 250 polys per bogie.

Whilst on a roll l might as well 'all out' and be done, the radiator intake grills are wrong, there formed of a two part radius, sharp ear the bottom and opening out to a larger radius for the top third, not one linear radius as KRS, cab side window are vertical then a sharp radius ( matching the radiator intake lower radius ), body side windows are too big and too high, actually thats wrong, its the radiator intake vents that are too low by a good 12", they should extend past the top of the door by at least a 2/5ths of there height not a 1/6th as shown.

Bonnet front is not flat, its a sloping affair and by quite a large margin when viewed side on, giving a facial impression of the lower chin sticking out, most importantly and not seen in the image in this thread but in others, the nose is not tapered, due to there long length the body side tapers from the rear edge of the cab doors to the buffer beam skirt, thus narrowing the bonnet and giving it a taller looking.

In short, a very good AI loco and as my art teacher often said " must try harder next time !".

It'll be interesting to see if the cab captures the compact and claustrophobic original.

Best

Michael

johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:22 pm

Methinks someone's not been signed up and NDA'd.

Note to Kuju:

It keeps them quiet and costs nothing.

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:27 pm

johndibben wrote:Methinks someone's not been signed up and NDA'd.

Note to Kuju:

It keeps them quiet and costs nothing.

Glad I didn't sign mine either....

mickoo737 · Post by **mickoo737** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:33 pm

johndibben wrote:Methinks someone's not been signed up and NDA'd.

Note to Kuju:

It keeps them quiet and costs nothing.

Correct and incorrect, as usual.

Criticism has nothing to do with NDAs....note to ones self, find HST, DB101 or Black 5 criticism posted previous ?....ohh thats right there isn't any !.

Shame how open observation is still tainted and viewed with prejudice or as some back stabbing exercise.

Kuju will never sign me, because l'm too much trouble and branded a big mouth, how ever they are my own words and not someone else's trumpet singing there tune, learnt that bitter exercise with TMTS.

Said my piece, floors all yours, expect no further reply to your good self.

End

Michael

TheTazman · Post by **TheTazman** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:29 am

I have tried many times to view the website http://www.amabilis.com and its never worked for me.

regards

Tazman

ForburyLion wrote:Let's have some perspective:
http://www.amabilis.com/gallery/Matthew ... 0Small.JPG

Sleeper1 · Post by **Sleeper1** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:55 am

TheTazman wrote:I have tried many times to view the website http://www.amabilis.com and its never worked for me.

I also have that problem with some sites. Try using a proxy such as http://www.proxyweb.net/ .

Peter

johndibben · Post by **johndibben** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:31 am

Diesels and electrics are far more difficult to model than might be imagined.

Hornby and Lima both made a class 37 which looked very different from each other and neither was overwhelmingly regarded as better than the other.

DrkAngel · Post by **DrkAngel** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:02 pm

I would have to dissagree there John, in my experience they are possibly the easiest types to do, but I can only say that from my own experience.

The main problem that I have repeatedly come across are that drawings are never that reliable to follow and can be completely inaccurate. Now I just go by the main dimensions, and lots of pictorial evidence to show what goes where and then fiddle around with it until it looks as a real locomotive should.

Works for me and I am happy to use that method for all my work and it makes a real differance in my mind.

keber · Post by **keber** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:27 pm

Maybe Deltic still isn't quite finished. There ares still many months until final release. Maybe with this (low quality) screenshots (from the modeller) Kuju is only checking crowd opinion. Probably there's not much work for Kuju, if it needs to add some few hundred polygons.

jbilton · Post by **jbilton** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:46 pm

keber wrote:Maybe Deltic still isn't quite finished. There ares still many months until final release. Maybe with this (low quality) screenshots (from the modeller) Kuju is only checking crowd opinion. Probably there's not much work for Kuju, if it needs to add some few hundred polygons.

Maybe.............but its not what the article said.
Also there were comments made last month, when it was first shown.
Nothing would appear to have been altered in between.
Therefore without further comment or feedback from Juju we have to assume the worse.
Cheers
Jon

alisterbetts · Post by **alisterbetts** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:56 pm

ForburyLion wrote:Let's have some perspective:
http://www.amabilis.com/gallery/Matthew ... 0Small.JPG

And that shows just how far MSTS has come - seem to remember that being released as Payware?

166Driver · Post by **166Driver** » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:24 pm

alisterbetts wrote:
ForburyLion wrote:Let's have some perspective:
http://www.amabilis.com/gallery/Matthew ... 0Small.JPG

And that shows just how far MSTS has come - seem to remember that being released as Payware?

Indeed. I think it was part of the "Trainsim Roundhouse" add-on, which I foolishly wasted money on