Will Kuju now make their project more global

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Well of course there's always Zusi 3 lurking in the wings, which hopefully this time round will offer English support and a user friendly interface for building routes.
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kcooper wrote:
mikesimpson wrote:I think the worry is that the British built the last sim, and the rest of the world had to fix the mess that was made of it.

Now it looks like deja vu all over again :-)

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Think of what the Australians have produced, we've had 4 versions of trainz so far and it still doesn't work great :o

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Havn't a clue why Kuju should change any plans unless they wish to.

Had it not been for TMTS, the US might've seen someone else enter the market.

There was another which looked good but they appeared to give up.

Hardly Kuju's fault, the US is without it's own sim and surely someone in a country of 250 million people can come up with one if there's a market for one.

That's simply common sense.

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rghaagsma wrote:I'd like to see a Dutch route. 8)
That would be good, perhaps Amsterdam Centraal-Rotterdam Centraal using the IR double decker emu's and the loco hauled trains. That would be great and certainly one I would rush to purchase.
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I would imagine that the basic sim will be suitable for all countries.

Kuju are simply restricting the area to cut down on the time needed to make routes, buildings and rolling stock and also the signalling.

Once the initial sim is released, they will do versions for other countries.

Reading the amount of research they have put into the Paddington route,
It will take a lot of time and effort to build a US route to the same standard.
I have no doubt other countries will follow - it justs take time.
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lateagain wrote:I think we're in agreement overall?
Yes, but lets not let that get in the way of a good argument :D
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Ohh Paul, your such a wicked tease :).

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With regards to Kuju changing plans, If beating the competition was a factor in getting to market by a set deadline then the cancellation of the current TMTS project may change things.

With no competing product there won't be a need to get a head start and gobble up the market share.
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ForburyLion wrote:With regards to Kuju changing plans, If beating the competition was a factor in getting to market by a set deadline then the cancellation of the current TMTS project may change things.

With no competing product there won't be a need to get a head start and gobble up the market share.
But despite the announcement, posts say TMTS isn't cancelled and nothing has changed, business as usual and it doesn't matter anyway.

It's 'on hold' .... a bit like Wayne Rooney and the World Cup :D

It's a little known market strategy where increased demand isn't met by increased labour to satisfy it.

Adam Smith clearly knew nothing about economics :D

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Yes, I was a bit tongue in cheek over that statement.

Actually I was born a Pom (well a Northumbrian anyway), and yes I paid 10 quid to go to OZ, and yes we do have sheep here, but all the girls look like Kylie so we only use the sheep for lamb chops.

Trainz was not made in Australia, it was made in Queensland, not the same thing at all :-)

Hopefully Kuju will produce something really good this time, I would hate to have to spend the next 5 years writing Route-Riter II. :-)

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mikesimpson wrote: I would hate to have to spend the next 5 years writing Route-Riter II.
5 years...oh so it's your coding that is the problem :o :P
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johndibben wrote:posts say TMTS isn't cancelled.

It's 'on hold' ....
For the above terms read 'not to be made until much much later if at all'. In effect there is no TMTS as far as the user who wants a train simulator in the next 24 months is concerned.

Now in maybe 4 or 5 years time when KRS is as old as MSTS is now, PI might look at the profit and cost sums again depending on whether there is still a market (after everyone else is using KRS that is). So by then the chances are even smaller that PI would restart the TMTS project because 1) they've lost the market 2) startup/investment costs will be even higher and 3) the game code would need to be looked at again from the basics upwards as time has moved on. The work they've done so far would have a percentage of unuseable code in it.

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saddletank wrote:
johndibben wrote:posts say TMTS isn't cancelled.

It's 'on hold' ....
For the above terms read 'not to be made until much much later if at all'. In effect there is no TMTS as far as the user who wants a train simulator in the next 24 months is concerned.

Developing train simulators is like driving in London: he who hesitates is lost.
Really ?, l didnt read it like that at all, maybe PIE swapped the car for a motorcycle ?.

I think the smart thing to do is to sit and wait rather than fill the void with rumours based on half whispers, if its down the pan then it'll be made public, until then on hold means on hold.

I like your pessimism, persistant, but likeable.

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I'm more amazed at the speculation over TMTS going on at T-S.com.
It's quite tame here in comparison.

I suppose they feel a bit more let down - we only have a single short press release to go on but they seem to be adding 2 and 2 and getting 58,345,246
(sorry for the plagiarism Tim if you're reading this)

Unfortunately, I can only repeat, "On hold" is not "Cancelled"
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