Will Kuju now make their project more global

johncard · Post by **johncard** » Sat May 20, 2006 5:42 pm

I must admit I've never installed any US add-ons for MSTS, but a US commuter line would float my boat, preferably utilising that huge double-deck push-pull stock they've got over there, preferably at the coastline

(Pacific Surfliner style, but obviously a different route & to KRS standards

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Crosstie wrote:American routes, payware and freeware will soon follow. After all, we are the................. .

*Band playing* RULE, BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES........

rghaagsma · Post by **rghaagsma** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:11 pm

I'd like to see a Dutch route.

wmalder · Post by **wmalder** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:41 pm

I've expressed my concerns over the loss of TMTS elsewhere. I for one honestly hope that KRS turns out well. I know that I'll undoubtably buy it and I am heartened by the announcement that modelling will be achievable with 3DCanvas so hopefully I can reexport all my models to KRS. I'm also hoping that Kuju separate from M$ will create a better initial product and actually support it. If all this happens then it will be great.
As to content, I prefer North American routes mostly because they're familiar. I have nothing against content from the rest of the world and given a choice there's some I wouldn't mind adding to the several I have now. I'm not worried if KRS doesn't have NA content to start as long as they include the tools necessary for us 3rd party developers to create our own content. Given that there will be lots of content for everyone in very short order.

johncard · Post by **johncard** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:45 pm

I though they were making a Deutsch route though

*ducks*

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Sat May 20, 2006 7:57 pm

johncard wrote:
Crosstie wrote:American routes, payware and freeware will soon follow. After all, we are the................. .
*Band playing* RULE, BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULES THE WAVES........

BRITONS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER WILL BE SLAVES!

Having said that, I can understand why the US fans are dissapointed-I know how I'd feel if I were told that there would be no UK content in KRS! But the US content will come...you'll just have to wait a little longer for it.
Besides, what are you Americans going to do about it? Invade us?
**Heads for nuclear bunker**

USRailFan · Post by **USRailFan** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:00 pm

MuzTrem wrote:BRITONS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER WILL BE SLAVES!

*reminds the Brit of a Danish king named Canute the Great*

MuzTrem · Post by **MuzTrem** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:01 pm

Yeah, but he popped his clogs long before the song was written.

AndiS · Post by **AndiS** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:50 pm

I am sure the reason why there will be three British routes in KRS is simply cost efficiency. Their in-house developers don't spend too much money on route research and in a lot of pictures for the scenery they shoot around the corner (maybe on their daily way to work, even cheaper for Kuju

).

Marketing-wise it is of course not acceptable to US folks that there is no US route in the package and therefore this will be changed sooner or later.

Putting marketing aside, everybody should make a list of their routes and calculate the fraction, which the default routes make up. This will put the perspective right.

While it is important for the freeware/amateur scene to be able to convert their creations, I am not afraid of a shortage of add-ons following the release of KRS. Capitalism does not work that way. I am sure each payware group has its migration scheme in order and is already busy - as much as possible.

The theorist in me would be happy with just one item of each kind (one steam engine, one diesel, one electric, one passenger car, etc.) and a perfect explanation how to make more of the same. And a route to try it out (also explaining every trick of route creation).

But you can't put that on the shelves for Christmas, but here we are back to marketing again.

mikesimpson · Post by **mikesimpson** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:24 pm

I think the worry is that the British built the last sim, and the rest of the world had to fix the mess that was made of it.

Now it looks like deja vu all over again

Mike.

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:43 pm

USRailFan wrote:
MuzTrem wrote:BRITONS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER WILL BE SLAVES!
*reminds the Brit of a Danish king named Canute the Great*

A much misquoted and misrepresented story I believe you'll find.

along with the TRUTH about the Boston Tea party and the fact that Dubbya was actually elected president

Geoff

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:47 pm

mikesimpson wrote:I think the worry is that the British built the last sim, and the rest of the world had to fix the mess that was made of it.

Now it looks like deja vu all over again

Mike.

Oi that's quite enough from you upety colonials. There'll be No Worries about build quality this time..........now will there? Hello..... anybody there?

Besides which the sheep are all much more relaxed since we gave you something to do!

Enough Jingoism for now. I want to address a sensible point.

Geoff

lateagain · Post by **lateagain** » Sun May 21, 2006 12:09 am

AndiS wrote:I am sure the reason why there will be three British routes in KRS is simply cost efficiency. Their in-house developers don't spend too much money on route research and in a lot of pictures for the scenery they shoot around the corner (maybe on their daily way to work, even cheaper for Kuju ).

Actually Andi and all interested colonial and ex colonial

readers, "The Somerset and Dorset" and "Paddington to Oxford" are pretty good choices for routes.

The S&D is long gone and what is left is now a footpath. It's interest lies in the sheer diversity of traffic and locomotive power it saw. It's also probably THE best documented railway route ever thanks to a guy called Ivo Peters who photographed it over a twenty year period right up to it's demise, which coincided with the end of Steam in the UK. It travelled through fabulous countryside, had two branch lines two really steep climbs that involved double heading many trains and even bankers to assist. It saw some fabulous locomotives including the last and most powerful 2-10-0 9F's which were used to haul passenger trains over the climbs as well as freight. It is a great route set in the period when railways were in their heyday. An inspired choice. I hope they do it justice.

Paddington to Oxford is famous as it was built originally by Brunel and although many UK fans would prefer to see it in it's Great Western Railway day's it is equally noteable for it's modern day high speed trains. The rather elderly HSTs, replaced by electic traction on other main lines, still impress as they whistle past with their signature sound of the front motor unit followed by quiet followed by the woosh of the rear motor unit. There's also heavy aggregate traffic and modern fast commuter trains. A good mix of traffic for what is mostly (if not all over this section (?) a four track route.

In fact as a "starter pack" for UK railways, just these two routes alone, you couldn't do much better.

Geoff

MaxFreak · Post by **MaxFreak** » Sun May 21, 2006 12:25 am

[quote="AndiS"]

The theorist in me would be happy with just one item of each kind (one steam engine, one diesel, one electric, one passenger car, etc.) and a perfect explanation how to make more of the same. And a route to try it out (also explaining every trick of route creation).

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Would be more than happy to see this myself ....clear and precise instructions for importing my meshes into Kujus game and don't forget the same for anything to do with scripting !! . Do this and plenty of homegrown US content will follow

~A~

steampsi · Post by **steampsi** » Sun May 21, 2006 3:18 am

I have heard noises about a US route that's been under development (but kept quiet) for some time now, so I think Kuju are in a position to appeal to a global market at fairly short notice.

C'mon we don't deal in speculation & rumours do we

More routes out of the box would be good. 4 routes is a bit thin on the ground given the previous product had 6. Maybe, just maybe...

I can(edit)'t(edit) understand their actions at all why they would shaft the US far, far to the side.

Has Kujo every explained why they intend to limit their product to European routes

To avoid direct competition ? To avoid negativity while they get on with it (not that Kuju were ever sledged in the past). See above ? Some chance they may not be 'shafting' the US? But this is not fact, just my HO.

In the words of the song I'd say to Kuku 'Keep on doin' watcha' doin' '

Ditto. 1 million users of MSTS can't be wrong.

Regarding the death of TMTS:

GOOD because it reduces the polarisation - ie which product (or both) do I create content for?

BAD because less competition.

Kuju must have a deadline of some sort

Like a HUGE one ! 'release in 2006'. That's looming fast ...!

I think the worry is that the British built the last sim, and the rest of the world had to fix the mess that was made of it.

Mike I take it you're kidding in true Aussie style. Please say yes.

Oi that's quite enough from you upety colonials

C'mon - we were sent here by some of the finest judges in England !

Besides which the sheep are all much more relaxed since we gave you something to do!

No - sheep are only in New Zealand - honest. Baa Baa.

kcooper · Post by **kcooper** » Sun May 21, 2006 4:20 am

mikesimpson wrote:I think the worry is that the British built the last sim, and the rest of the world had to fix the mess that was made of it.

Now it looks like deja vu all over again

Mike.

Think of what the Australians have produced, we've had 4 versions of trainz so far and it still doesn't work great

Keith