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Andy20 wrote:Hmmm says the maximum power output shall not exceed 250 watts, that sucks! I basically need a new Power Supply and Graphics Card and I can't really afford both!! The joys of computers :bad-words:
power suply isnt too expensive and it could help a lot

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GavNormandale wrote:
Andy20 wrote:Hmmm says the maximum power output shall not exceed 250 watts, that sucks! I basically need a new Power Supply and Graphics Card and I can't really afford both!! The joys of computers :bad-words:
power suply isnt too expensive and it could help a lot

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I'm not sure how a power supply is installed really :-? I wouldn't want to break my new computer!
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500 quid seems a bit much. Picked up a great pc on ebay for 200 quid.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0268931588
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Andy20 wrote:
GavNormandale wrote:
Andy20 wrote:Hmmm says the maximum power output shall not exceed 250 watts, that sucks! I basically need a new Power Supply and Graphics Card and I can't really afford both!! The joys of computers :bad-words:
power suply isnt too expensive and it could help a lot

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I'm not sure how a power supply is installed really :-? I wouldn't want to break my new computer!
I would suggest you should talk to the people you bought it from regarding your options, so that you don't void the warranty.

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dean1986 wrote:500 quid seems a bit much. Picked up a great pc on ebay for 200 quid.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0268931588
True but I don't use ebay myself and the PC I bought is on a 'buy now pay later' thing where I buy now and pay back 500 within 6 months with no interest so it's pretty cool. It did come with a 20 inch widescreen monitor too.
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Yeah that's my worry John, I think if I fiddle with the graphics card and power supply it would no doubt void my warranty. Because if it then went wrong they would put it down to me changing things on it :(
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Andy20 wrote:Yeah that's my worry John, I think if I fiddle with the graphics card and power supply it would no doubt void my warranty. Because if it then went wrong they would put it down to me changing things on it :(
It most probably would but if you do decide to change the power supply the trick is to take note of how the old one was connected.
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rich0984 wrote:
Andy20 wrote:Yeah that's my worry John, I think if I fiddle with the graphics card and power supply it would no doubt void my warranty. Because if it then went wrong they would put it down to me changing things on it :(
It most probably would but if you do decide to change the power supply the trick is to take note of how the old one was connected.
Is it pretty straightfoward changing the power supply? I'm rubbish at the internal bits of computers.
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Andy20 wrote:
rich0984 wrote:
Andy20 wrote:Yeah that's my worry John, I think if I fiddle with the graphics card and power supply it would no doubt void my warranty. Because if it then went wrong they would put it down to me changing things on it :(
It most probably would but if you do decide to change the power supply the trick is to take note of how the old one was connected.
Is it pretty straightfoward changing the power supply? I'm rubbish at the internal bits of computers.
it really is simple, like metioned make note of where every thing went, a few screws hold the unit in place, all wires are just plug and sockets

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Hi Andy
If you do decide to change the Power Supply and upgrade your graphics card it may be best to ask a knowledgable friend to help out especially if you are worried about carrying out this task.
Another problem that can be encountered is that some pc cases have a micro switch that triggers a warning message saying the chassis case has been removed etc,
This can be switched off or simply reset via bios settings but none the less some manufacturers have resorted to this system.
I still havn't got around yet to building a computer to run the sim properly.
My PC was bought mail order and it struggles with the rail sim in places.
The power supply on my pc is also rubbish at 250 Watts even I was surprised at how low it was I always assumed that nowadays an absolute minimum would be 300 Watts.
You may even consider obtaining a quote from a few computer stores (not just PC World) and see how much they would charge to upgrade your machine.
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Hi again Andy,

Well, I've hunted high and low for what the motherboard has on your computer, I'm sure it has a PCIe x16 slot (seen other people on other forums upgrade a similar computer to yours with graphics cards that are of this type) :). The power supply is going to be one big problem (and I thought the minimum these days should be 300watts but there you have it :roll:).

If you want to avoid voiding the warranty, your best bet would be to enquire with the PC world store you bought the computer from and ask them if anything you do to it will void the warranty (I suspect so).

If you do want to upgrade and not install the parts yourself, as Stephen said, your best bet might be to go into a few computer shops and quote if possible how much they would charge for installing new parts for you (I'm hesitant to say major retailers will charge a small fortune compared to a specialist, small scale computer shop :wink:).

However, the best and easiest way is to intall the parts yourself, and it is relitavely simple :). If I recall correctly you say you installed RAM before? That, and installing a new graphics card, are possibly the two most easy things you can do inside a computer :).

Installing a new power supply takes somewhat longer, but is simple. First thing to take note is where all the current cables are connected to. Have a look at this link aswell (just found it on google while trying to look for a motherboard image to reference to :lol:). The motherboard shown is not yours but the layout is probably very similar. Parts I and E in that image connect directly from the power supply and are the only two that are directly connected to the motherboard :). All the other cables you probably see within the case connect to your hard drives, dvd drives and case fans etc. (have a look under the 'power supplies tab' on that website if you want to understand more about the cables :)).

Now, if you were to purchase a new power supply and install it, All you would require is probably a screw driver, your hands and a bit of patience :lol:. The very first thing to do is make sure you have unplugged the cable from the existing power supply to the wall socket!. Then you would need to disconnect every cable that comes from the power supply (i.e cables to the mobo, hard drives, fans etc. Make sure you keep note of what needs to be connected afterwards). You dont need to touch cables that go to the motherboard from the hard drives etc, only the calbes that go to the power supply. Then, on the rear of the case there are probably 3 or 4 screws holding the power supply in place. Simply unscrew them, and the power supply will come out (Make sure you lay the case on the floor so it doesnt drop down!).

Then, you can install the new power supply basically in the reverse order to what youve just done :). Simply place the new power supply where the old one used to be (make sure the fan on the power supply is facing downwards into the case, not the top) and screw it in place with the screws provided. If your lucky, on some prebuilt computers they may use retention 'clips' which simply hold the power supply in place. If so, simply click the psu into place (though I would still use the screws just in case for extra safety). Once done, you can connect all the cables up. Remember, the motherboard needs the 20+4 pin connector (I in the diagram) and two 4-pin connectors (E in the image) from the power supply, which should be labled on the cables. Just make sure you match the pins in the correct order (they should only go in one way). Then its a case of connecting all your hard drives up and the case fans as they where before, using molex connectors for the case fans and serial ATA (SATA) power connectors to the hard drives and dvd drives.

Heh, long post :D, but if you decide to buy a new power supply, might I suggest something like this? You can have a look around on that site for example but that PSU would easily handle all you have/all you require and comes highly recommended :).

For the graphics card, something like this would be good for you. It just depends on how much you might want to spend... Also if you require any help on installing the graphics card side of things, or just want some general help or suggestions, feel free to ask :).

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lostandwild wrote: The very first thing to do is make sure you have unplugged the cable from the existing power supply to the wall socket!
I usually leave the power cable plugged in, but with the power switched off at the socket, when upgrading computers. That way the case is earthed any you can discharge yourself of any static by touching the case.
Of course, to change the power supply it will have to be unplugged at some point.

Do not wear a woolly jumper when upgrading computers. I once moved an old unearthed MB/CPU/RAM combination whilst wearing one. There was a loud crack sound. Funnily enough, that MB/CPU/RAM combination never worked again!
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Hi Andy,
From my experience with PC World changing a power supply and adding a graphics card will usually void the warranty. They once let me fit an extra Optical Drive myself as a backup on my old machine because the original one kept going faulty, 5 replacements in all, But I checked out with them first. If you have only just bought the machine they will usaully do upgrades free of labour charge and if it goes wrong they will be liable to give you another machine.
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Thanks for all the help :)

Lostandwild I really appreciate you taking time out to research that for me, when I decide to change the PSU and graphics card I will look back at this thread and follow what you told me :) I have decided that for the time being I am not going to upgrade the new computer, with christmas coming up I should save my money rather than spending £80-90 on myself! :lol:

I have ordered MSTS 1 from Asda online for £8 so I think I will stick to MSTS until I upgrade my comp sometime next year, seems MSTS has a lot of support and routes available and my computer will be able to handle it unlike Rail Sim. Having said that though, I am disapointed I can't play Rail Sim properly because it is a great game and the graphics are stunning.

As much as I would love to upgrade my comp and play Rail Sim to it's full potential, I have to be realistic and I know that i'm not doing great for money at the moment so rather than pay £90 just so I can play one game I think it's a better choice at the moment just to get MSTS and play that without needing an upgrade :)
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Hi Andy
At least you have got your priorities right in the current financial climate.
Most people are struggling to stay a float and keep a roof over their head etc.
MSTS is still supported and there is lots of content available for it.
It will take a while before Rail Simulator has the same amount of content if it ever does?
Things are starting to pick up a little bit now for Rail Simulator but it will take time.
Two routes that I miss from MSTS are Lydbrook Junction and Westvale.
Good luck and kind regards Stephen
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