MK2 coach uploads

[charlie99]

Well hopefully the discussions will go quickly so you can get back to making more content.

[kingsgate]

Thankfully, the coaches have been removed from the site in question. However, a bitter taste has been left in our mouths, and changes will be made to the way we distribute content in future. You have the admin of that site to thank.

Tor-K

[phat2003uk]

With all respect though Tor-K, surely no matter how much you protect the installation process, it doesn't block what has happened today from happening because in the end, the files have to be there to see by everyone in the Rail Sim assets folder. I think by adding more hurdles in the installation process only affects the customers and not the pirates. Unless there's some ingenius method you have up your sleeve .

[kingsgate]

Unfortunately, we have to do something. Dusting ourselves down and carrying on as before is just not an option, this has happened, and we need to consider ways to stop it happening. I'm not clued up in what's available, I leave that to other members of the team, but they seem confident that something is possible. Perhaps it does make it harder for the customer, that's not our fault, it's the fault of those who choose to steal from us.

Tor-K

[cumberland]

So Kingsgate im guessing this means delays to the current content you want to release ?

Cheers Ben

[kingsgate]

I hope not. It's a relatively minor blip. It does mean we have to devote time to finding a new distribution method, though, which takes time away from modelling. We'll try and stick to timetable.

Tor-K

[cumberland]

Well by the sounds of it your going to be rich men specially when the locos are released

Good Luck DT

[Blackpatch]

I'm particularly disappointed to hear of these events and as a paying DT customer hope that all issues are resolved quickly. I for one will keep an eye out for similar occurences in the future to protect the rightful owners of the content.

Best wishes DT.

BP

[phat2003uk]

Unfortunately, we have to do something. Dusting ourselves down and carrying on as before is just not an option, this has happened, and we need to consider ways to stop it happening. I'm not clued up in what's available, I leave that to other members of the team, but they seem confident that something is possible. Perhaps it does make it harder for the customer, that's not our fault, it's the fault of those who choose to steal from us.

Tor-K

I do feel though there's not a lot you can do because as I said, the files are always just going to be there in the folders, there's no way of hiding that .

[Basherz]

We are currently discussing the matter with the site administrator and hope to sort it out as soon as possible. As it stands it's unlikely the site will have permission to upload any Digital Traction related works in the future.

I have replied to you in both "private msg" & MSN.

My reply to you seeing as you want to make this public is:

We have removed all copies of the reskins forthwith.

But on the design of things, it is obvious that items are going to be re-skinned by whoever, but that is not to say that they would deliberatly try to cheat "The System".

It would seem in this case that, you have not protected your interest, and it was, indeed, an unfortunate re-skinner that brought your problem to light both to you, and then us. In this case we have certainly removed the reskins "as requested".

But may I, respectfully, request that you "alter" your installs in the future to encompass the "re-skin theme" that we all in the RS arena, need due to lack of rolling stock.

Whilst I will quite happily incur derogatory remarks to myself, I insist these are not made public. This was an obvious "unintentional" mistake.

Chris

[phat2003uk]

Chris

It is common courtesy to ask the permission of the author of a model whether you can do a reskin on their model or not, this was common practice in MSTS but for some reason you feel Rail Simulator is different? You also try to imply in places that it was Digital Traction's fault for not protecting their content, this is totally unreasonable for something which is entirely your fault. You have to understand it's not your right that you or any other can reskin a model, it is up to the developer.

I'm personally just quite surprised at the attitude you've taken and if I was you, I'd be a lot more apologetic.

[Basherz]

Chris

It is common courtesy to ask the permission of the author of a model whether you can do a reskin on their model or not, this was common practice in MSTS but for some reason you feel Rail Simulator is different? You also try to imply in places that it was Digital Traction's fault for not protecting their content, this is totally unreasonable for something which is entirely your fault. You have to understand it's not your right that you or any other can reskin a model, it is up to the developer.

I'm personally just quite surprised at the attitude you've taken and if I was you, I'd be a lot more apologetic.

I wonder how many of the reskinners that have gone on in RS have asked this permission. I have neither got this product, nor likely to now, but nonetheless, if it isn't specified in the EULA, then whatever may happen.

In this particular case, the required parties were not contacted, despite them having been online since the morning.

And yes, I have been apologetic to the person concerned, but there's a limit to which I would grovel!!!

Edit:Just as a note, this also presents a problem, to not only us, but the likes of yourselves as well, as if there is limited control over the "original" stock, it then makes it very dificult for the site owners to check the downloads, if they haven't themselves got the items.

Chris

[ashgray]

Chris

It is common courtesy to ask the permission of the author of a model whether you can do a reskin on their model or not, this was common practice in MSTS but for some reason you feel Rail Simulator is different? You also try to imply in places that it was Digital Traction's fault for not protecting their content, this is totally unreasonable for something which is entirely your fault. You have to understand it's not your right that you or any other can reskin a model, it is up to the developer.

I'm personally just quite surprised at the attitude you've taken and if I was you, I'd be a lot more apologetic.

I wonder how many of the reskinners that have gone on in RS have asked this permission. I have neither got this product, nor likely to now, but nonetheless, if it isn't specified in the EULA, then whatever may happen.

In this particular case, the required parties were not contacted, despite them having been online since the morning.

And yes, I have been apologetic to the person concerned, but there's a limit to which I would grovel!!!

Chris

Wrong! Simply because something is not covered by a EULA does NOT mean that the law of copyright doesn't apply. If anyone's in doubt over this, I'd suggest some research might be in order. Anyone who wilfully alters and distributes work belonging to soneone else (in this instance) the base models that were reskinned) without permission is breaking the law, simple as that. It's also my understanding that the terms of the Data Protection Act allow the release of personal data in the furtherance of any investigations into copyright breaches. You also say that Digital Traction haven't protected their interests here but again, copyright law automatically protects such interest in situation like this. Ultimately, any modifictions made to other peoples' work REQUIRE the author's explicit permission before they are uploaded and distributed.

I'm not sure quite what you mean when you say there's a limit to which you would grovel, but this is a serious situation that needs to be understood and treated as such - let's not make a bad situation worse by a few poorly chosen remarks. 'Nuff said.

Ashley

[kingsgate]

Chris, with just a small amount of research, you'll find that reskins and redistribution are indeed covered in the EULA. Perhaps more stock is needed, I and the team accept that, but this is three months work, hard work, that we're talking about. Common decency states you should ask first. Legally, your site has no leg to stand on, however, the matter is, in the eyes of us at DT, now closed. If you wish to continue it, in public or private, by all means do so, but you won't be getting a response from us, we've a lot of content to make.

Tor-K

[Basherz]

Chris, with just a small amount of research, you'll find that reskins and redistribution are indeed covered in the EULA. Perhaps more stock is needed, I and the team accept that, but this is three months work, hard work, that we're talking about. Common decency states you should ask first. Legally, your site has no leg to stand on, however, the matter is, in the eyes of us at DT, now closed. If you wish to continue it, in public or private, by all means do so, but you won't be getting a response from us, we've a lot of content to make.

Tor-K

Don't get me wrong Tor, as I really, on behalf of the site owner, can't apologise enough. It was perhaps unfortunate that the first I knew about it was around 22.30 on a Bank Holiday weekend. More to the point, the site owner didn't get to hear of this problem untill 23.30 when I got through to him.

I can only on behalf of both the site owner, and an over enthusiastic re-skinner, make this public apology to you here.

Chris