A month later and nothing happened at KUJU/RSDL

[Retro]

The big issue for me is the stuttering. This has caused a full stop to my Route Building activities and using the program.
Signalling problems as indicated by andis.
Regards James.

[neilbooth]

A Class 52 western would be nice

[exshunter]

A big one... DELTIC CLAG!, or normal Diesel CLAG!

Im sure i saw a video of improved Deltic clag posted by Rsadam ?

[Paul_Boland]

1 - I understand that this is not ideal, however if you want all the content then you will need both route. As I have already stated once our shop is up and running you will be able to get both routes. Then the choice will be down to the user.

Having two different versions of Rail Simulator was a huge error. I don't agree with this reply, Derek. You are basicially saying to us users that if we don't want problems when creating routes and/or playing user routes, we need to pay more for the extra content. Bad show! The extra content should be available for free. It is not us users faults that RS shipped in two different versions which has split our development community.

[RSderek]

*edit.

Removed, responding will do me no good.

regards
Derek

[AndiS]

May I suggest you get out a micro patch soon which gives the default track and these loft 1 in X rules or whatever to the US folks.
Plus it renames the US coal unloading (or loading) so there is no name clash with the European one.

Then, 95% of the compatibility issues are gone.
For me, there is a clear separation between minor problems caused by the marketing strategy, which was discussed at length and which only results in a few cars missing, on the one side. And the big problems which could be avoided with a little love and care, like the thing about the default track rule, on the other side. I doubt that any marketing contract will prohibit ironing out such glitches, and they are nasty indeed.

There might also be some other issue which cause Jim's track to disappear when he changed versions, I lost track of that.

Basically, we need a situation where people can lay down bog standard track and share it around the world, while they still have to pay when they want the missing route, and the stuff that comes with it. Even if this means that we Europeans do not get a sand texture. Someone will upload one here sooner or later, and the issue with the textures.bin needs a separate fix anyway.

(Compare http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 15&t=80967 .)

[bigvern]

There is a Pebble texture in the European default which at a pinch will do for beaches, though not quite the "Silver Sands of Morar".

I'm finding I struggle more with water, the idea of using decals rather than the alternative in MSTS/TRS is a little odd. Guess it's a question of getting used to it.

Things are still fairly slow in the third party world as many people are still learning how to use the programme or as in my case put it down once only to have our interest piqued and try again.

[RSderek]

Hi, I am hoping to bring you a new texturing xml, where if you have both sets of textures then you can use them all in one route.
I am also thinking about making these source files (textures) available from our website so everyone can use them however they wish.

On all future routes we will be creating new textures for terrain. I only wish we did new ones per route earlier.

regards
Derek

[AndiS]

Hi, I am hoping to bring you a new texturing xml, where if you have both sets of textures then you can use them all in one route.

Now this sounds like very good news.
So after one and a half page of moaning, we tricked you into making a really popular announcement.
We should do that more often. Cheers!

[sniper297]

"RSDL did nothing, Watson, that's what was strange!"

Nature abhors a vacuum, in the absence of news flashes many will assume the worst, like total abandonment. Raildriver is a good example, website hasn't been updated, still talks about Railsim release "on the horizon". Natural assumption is PI has abandoned raildriver, and when the prepaid website runs out in April or May we'll get 404 error over there. Nobody knows, because nobody is talking.

Well, number 1 already lost that argument so there's no point rehashing it. Andi, it was York Newcastle concrete dark track textures and default track rules, plus a bunch of bridges that had to be replaced, but that's all ancient history since it's been fixed in both routes. "Fixed" in the sense that there are now two versions of each route, neither of which is compatible with the foreign version of railsim, but all are compatible with the native version out of the box. I think most people have the message by now, haven't seen too many "downloaded XYZ route from the-train.de and it crashes" lately.

Number 3, for me it wasn't that hard to figure out most, but the scenario editor needs either some serious work or some documentation since I can't figure out how to make AI traffic do what I want it to do.

Number 4, light a fire under them PI Engineering guys, nothing to do with RSDL.

Number 2 however;

"2 - Hmm, not sure about this one, but I will chase it up, although we have managed to build a whole new route without that problem surfacing or being a major issue."

Which is it, it never surfaced or was not a major issue when it did surface? If it NEVER surfaces, I'd really be interested in the system specs of the computer, including the type of mouse, software drivers, and settings. Adam was talking about "mouse sensitivity", my win XP mouse control has pointer speed, double click speed, and precision cursor settings, no "sensitivity" I can find. For me it is a major issue, before patch I made three routes and replaced track for US version compatibility in all three routes, post patch it takes half an hour to lay a mile of track since I have to keep going back and deleting all the little boogers every time the tracklaying tool sneezes.

:bad-words:

[rogertra]

What i would like to see lol is that all users can be beta testers.
Something like microsoft.

Hi,

When we are ready to roll out Upgrade mk2 I ask a few people from the forums to help us out and do some testing.
Giving it to everyone is not ideal, to manage that would be time consuming and need a larger team.

regards
Derek

Perhaps having some people who are not completely "sold" on Rail Simulator", like myself, beta testing would be better than having only those people who are already "on side". People who are already fans of Rail Simulator may tend overlook certain issues that ordinary people, like myself, may find annoying or difficult to "correct" or work around? After all, you shouldn't be expected to be a computer geek and need to go into program folders in order to save or open routes or scenarios, for example, which you need to be right now in this sim.

My main problem with Rail Simulator revolves around me expecting a product that was more realistic and better designed than MSTS. I expect a product that lived up to your advertising. "Easy route building" easy simulation creation. None of which, it turns out, are "easy". At least not for us non computer or sim geeks.

I wanted to get into a sim that made shunting easy, that had realistic controls, ran in a realistic (timetabled) manner, that made it possible for me to use a shunter to build the train, then go get the "road engine", couple up to my train, and run say a pick up goods from Fratton to Chichester (As an example) all the while, meeting realistic opposing traffic within a signalling system that worked.

And then I wanted to build the Hayling Island branch using just my mouse to build the route and not learn any complicated coding nor need to know how my computer worked.

I'm still waiting.

[overmarze]

What i would like to see lol is that all users can be beta testers.
Something like microsoft.

Hi,

When we are ready to roll out Upgrade mk2 I ask a few people from the forums to help us out and do some testing.
Giving it to everyone is not ideal, to manage that would be time consuming and need a larger team.

regards
Derek

Sounds good but yes theres a but say that you have 200 people who wana test and you select say 5 or 10 maybe 15 how will you be fairly chooseing people?
i mean how can you choose people with out causeing discrimination? its not possoble is it?

[overmarze]

What i would like to see lol is that all users can be beta testers.
Something like microsoft.

Hi,

When we are ready to roll out Upgrade mk2 I ask a few people from the forums to help us out and do some testing.
Giving it to everyone is not ideal, to manage that would be time consuming and need a larger team.

regards
Derek

Perhaps having some people who are not completely "sold" on Rail Simulator", like myself, beta testing would be better than having only those people who are already "on side". People who are already fans of Rail Simulator may tend overlook certain issues that ordinary people, like myself, may find annoying or difficult to "correct" or work around? After all, you shouldn't be expected to be a computer geek and need to go into program folders in order to save or open routes or scenarios, for example, which you need to be right now in this sim.

My main problem with Rail Simulator revolves around me expecting a product that was more realistic and better designed than MSTS. I expect a product that lived up to your advertising. "Easy route building" easy simulation creation. None of which, it turns out, are "easy". At least not for us non computer or sim geeks.

I wanted to get into a sim that made shunting easy, that had realistic controls, ran in a realistic (timetabled) manner, that made it possible for me to use a shunter to build the train, then go get the "road engine", couple up to my train, and run say a pick up goods from Fratton to Chichester (As an example) all the while, meeting realistic opposing traffic within a signalling system that worked.

And then I wanted to build the Hayling Island branch using, just my mouse to build the route, and not learn any complicated coding nor need to know how my computer worked.

I'm still waiting.

All a beta tester is exspected to do yea is use the game and find bugs you dont have to have the qualifications as long as your arm.
Beta testing is very time consumeing as in installing the product uninstalling the product.
You need a load of time on your plate wich i have and im also wanting to make a difference.

Not sure if that sounds right.

[Ferrisybuga]

I don't think it's all that fair to point the finger at Kuju, for a start look at the difference in the quality compared to MSTS *gasp* yes I know its been around since mid 2001 and computers have erm... how to say - moved on just a bit but hey so has the software!

Quite frankly the detail could not be any better than it already is- (eyeboggling), the out-of-the-box rolling stock works and if you want to drive a train from A to B its gonna do you fine.

I agree developing new stuff is not easily done mainly due to a lack of documentation but if I remember right I had to buy a big fat manual before I understood half of MSTS and so we cant really moan at Kuju for supplying us with a few free downlodable .PDF's explaining the basics. If you want to go further it's a case of taking time out to really teach yourself how things work - yes even if that means making yourself a PC sim geek - and then telling others and thankfully this is what this forum's for - great place - great people!

I also agree that the sim has more than its fair share of problems but hey MSTS is up to MSTSBIN version 1.7.1022 and what with X-tracks and everything else getting stuff to work on that can be just as much as an issue, so in all fairness things have been made much easier - especially route creation as the RS route editor is a vast improvement on the MSTS one.

If RSDL is quiet it is likely to mean there all busy beavering away at further upgrades and other goodies and it all takes time and patience - plus we all need a break to play trains right?

Hope everyone has a good Easter - thumbs up for RS!

[bigvern]

Bear in mind if you do sign up as a tester you will be subject to an NDA so unable to comment publically on the forums about what you may have seen or heard. Indeed anyone signing an NDA would have to be very careful re *any* aspect of the sim you might subsequently comment on.

Also, having been involved in beta testing (not RS I hasten to add) by the time it goes to public beta it is more akin to play testing and the amount of real influence at this stage to change things may not be quite what you think!