Paying again for unfinished models

[OZINOZ]

My interest in RS lays within the S&D (in fact, with steam in general). Anybody that has seen a steam loco struggling under load will know that it is a visceral thing - it is a living breathing machine and something not soon forgotten. The steam modelling in RS is just not finished. Any driver (or the passed out firemen) for that matter will tell you, driving steam is an art form. The balance between regulator, reverser, brake & traction. These new models, while looking ok, just do not have all of the functionality that you need to have (or had even under TS) There is no wheel spin, you cant loose traction and slip to a standstill, there are no cylinder cocks, there is no whistle steam and poorly modelled exhaust. It is not really satisfactory to say - "trust us, it is there, you just cant see it"

While I was happy to pay for the programme and to have it flown down here, I am reluctant to purchase additional payware models (and no offence to DT because their West Countries & A4's look fantastic) if what are essential aspects are not represented.

While I know there has been no announcements concerning Update MK2 maybe Derek or Adam can "hint"as to whether these aspects are being addressed.

Cheers,

[g0fthick]

At the end of the day there's only so much you can do, especially when budget and deadlines are thrown into the fray.

Not defending them as such, but I can understand why some things weren't included. But I am intrigued to see what Mk2 brings as well as yourself.

[RSderek]

Hi,
Thank you for your comments, they have been noted, however most have been mentioned before.
We will not be publishing the Mk2 list just yet.

regards
Derek

[Blackpatch]

It is the reality that RSDL must make changes and upgrades in the order that best suits them, together with their timescale and not in the order of what people might think are the most pressing need. We all have our own preferences on this matter but I for one will remain patient and work with what we have at present.

[AndiS]

I'm all for more realism in physics (steam and brakes) and visuals that go with the processes inside the engine (at least), but I do not daring to propose that before the AI traffic, complete with timetables and display of schedule to the driver is completely and bug-free implemented.

[Sly401]

Blackpatch wrote

We all have our own preferences on this matter but I for one will remain patient and work with what we have at present.

Absolutely ...There is an alternative.......... do it yourself

I think lots of people who sit there sayin I wish it did this.. would have have a whole load more fun ( and infuriation ) if they had a go at it themselves.

I encourage anybody to have a go themselves.. you will be surprised at what you can achieve, you will recieve help and support from here and elsewhere.

Have a go

Sly

[growler37]

totally agree with you there sly!
the most fascinating thing,for me about RS is "what goes on under the bonnet) or!what makes what tick,it was the same with MSTS.
i must spend 70%of my time on RS tinkering with the program,its amazing what you can learn (ALWAYS back your files up first).
But knowing what parts of the program do what! opens up a lot of possibilitys and a greater understanding.
kevin

[Sly401]

HeHe I'm prolly 99% tinkerin and less than 1% using... but thats my fun at the moment


Sly

[shortbart]

Hi,
Thank you for your comments, they have been noted, however most have been mentioned before.
We will not be publishing the Mk2 list just yet.

regards
Derek

Can you say us how long it will take to finish Mk2? (Month, Weeks etc.)

I say can, you don´t have to

[OZINOZ]

It is the reality that RSDL must make changes and upgrades in the order that best suits them, together with their timescale and not in the order of what people might think are the most pressing need. We all have our own preferences on this matter but I for one will remain patient and work with what we have at present.

Hi guys...

While I fully agree with some of the sentiments here, to me it comes back to the old addage - "why do you keep hitting yourself on the head with a hammer ? - because I know it will feel good when I eventually stop" - for what ever internal reason, RS was released to the market before a considerable number of basic fundamentals were operational and we all know what they are. Now we are going to be asked (and I use the word ask, not in the speak sense, but in production of sought after after- market materials) to continue to support, not just RSDL but the external add-on developers with routes and rolling stock etc, in the hope that eventually, the basic fundamentals are going to be fixed (I am not just talking about my steam passion, but timetabling, signalling and AI operations etc) As I mentioned in a previous post - why keep walking towards the horizon if there is no light on in that direction. While it is always about $$ (and I have no issue with that per se), to mind it is the fundamentals that need to be rapidly addressed so that the rest can flow. Developers seem reluctant to step up and produce materials, based on demand for the initial base product, which is being impacted on because of these deficiencies. It just seems such a waste...

Cheers

[Sly401]

Ah for some the glass is always half full and others............

If I or RSDL were to ask you what you wanted and expected ... and then proceeded to deliver it all, you would be a happy bunny...... but a few thousand others would be saying ... I wish ....

Your comments about wheelslip and driving... put 30 loaded minerals behind the 8Fand take it from Evercreech to Radstock (post upgrade) on manual firing.. that should keep you busy.

Not a Railsim "Fanatic" but I like the flexibility it has given me... I don't recall anyone asking for money.. if its there buy it if you want, if as you say there is no light on your particular horizon why comment at all?

I really don't understand knocking anything without putting forward any proposals.... what is the idea ? to influenece others?

I guess there are two ways to influence... be productive or be destructive.... and we each make our own choice.

Not like me to go off on one

Must have bin a long day

Sly

[OZINOZ]

f I or RSDL were to ask you what you wanted and expected ... and then proceeded to deliver it all, you would be a happy bunny...... but a few thousand others would be saying ... I wish ....

...and you have hit the nail on the head Why are they saying "I wish" - because basic fundamentals integral to the premise of an operating railway simulation have yet to be implemented. Imagine what would have been said if on the latest Flight Sim, there were no landing lights so you could land at night, or no ground steering to get you from the terminal gate to apronway or the auto-pilot was not functional. It is not enough to stop the operation of the programme in itself, but is certainly not representative of a simulator. We are talking of a third generation simulator, yet basic functionality of timetabling, signalling and AI interaction is wanting. Yes, I agree that my steam "wants" are just that and at this point, I certainly have no inclination to give up on RS at this time, but you would like to think, as would thousands of others, that basic fundamentals are going to be addressed.

I really don't understand knocking anything without putting forward any proposals....

Anybody can propose anything - do you think it matters if anyone was to propose that Derek and the team cease all work on anything other than fixing the " bug list". Everybody knows there are business considerations, as there needs to be for it to have an ongoing existence, but it comes back to the fundamentals.

Yes, it has been a long week - we are at our 10th day of temperatures of 100F or greater (with at least another 5 to go) (it doesnt get much below mid to high 20's overnight either) - there are bushfires being fanned by 50km hot winds, it hasnt rained for 43 days and there are rolling power outages. Dont want to come and live in Oz do you ??

Cheers

[Sly401]

Haha

What with an earthquake (minor) Snow, galeforce winds and a Chancellors buget that has hit hard on Drivin,Drinkin and Smokin, its a bloody good job he didn't find out we enjoy ladies of the night and trainSimming or we'd have a tax on that b'stard as well lol

So UK just as bad ... only different lol

Have a good one

Sly

[Oldpufferspotter]

After reading through all the comments here, I would just like to say that there's at least one satisfied customer of RS - me!
It was a very sharp learning curve at first, but now I've got the basics I'm enjoying altering and improving the S & D route. I'm not into the nitty gritty of making my own models to incorporate into RS, I wouldn't know where to start, but I download what's available and will be useful to me. Thank goodness there are so many good people out there making all these things available to the likes of me, and free of charge as well.
Nothing is perfect, which drives us all on to innovate and improve where we can. And so many people are ready to offer advice here when one comes up against a problem.
Since receiving RS last year I've abandonned MSTS (and three years or so creating my own route based on the trackplan in Northern Ireland!) and I took the step last week of completely uninstalling MSTS from my machine. How's that for commitment?!
So my thanks and genuine appreciation go to all those people out there who make RS such a worthwhile and satisfying hobby, and that includes the original developers at RS.
Regards from a happy Old Chap.

[RSderek]

Hi,
sorry you think RS is lacking the fundamentals, I don't agree with that statement but everyone has a view and it normally means everyone has a different view.
Everyone has a wish list; we at RSDL are no different.
We do agree that the sim would benefit from more features very much like any software, RSDL are working on that and providing support, content and upgrades.
All done without any extra cost to the users. Work with us to make RS better or don't, it's your choice.

All I can suggest is If you do not like RS then put it down and spend more time doing something that does give you pleasure.
To others that are enjoying it, I'm glad to be working with you to provide something that can be enjoyed by as many people in as many different ways as possible.

Who's making that Luna monorail?

Best regards

Derek