[Copyright / Piracy] kujurailsimulator.nl

[UpsideDownBox]

In my opinion, anything I reskin, which is uploaded, automatically loses any restraints I wish to have on it.

That's because they're reskins. I can't claim the model as my own, nor really can I claim the skin is my creation, more a manipulation of the default content.

They're also free and free things people "rip off" online so as to attract more users to their websites.

In the early days of MSTS, the rubbish reskins I did of other people's models (I don't recall if I asked permission to reskin them or not), appeared on other websites, without being asked.

They even migrated from TrainSimFiles to here, without my consent.

If you wish to remain some sort of control over a freeware model, don't release it. Otherwise it'll appear in scenarios and used in ways you didn't wish them to be used.

[petermakosch]

No no, it's alright
I tend to ask more questions, argue to see how other people react and what they say - call it laywer training

[eloc13]

Hello,

In my opinion, anything I reskin, which is uploaded, automatically loses any restraints I wish to have on it.

That's because they're reskins. I can't claim the model as my own, nor really can I claim the skin is my creation, more a manipulation of the default content.

They're also free and free things people "rip off" online so as to attract more users to their websites.

In the early days of MSTS, the rubbish reskins I did of other people's models (I don't recall if I asked permission to reskin them or not), appeared on other websites, without being asked.

They even migrated from TrainSimFiles to here, without my consent.

If you wish to remain some sort of control over a freeware model, don't release it. Otherwise it'll appear in scenarios and used in ways you didn't wish them to be used.

You can't claim the model, but the reskin is yours.

Well, i see you all at http://www.kujurailsimulator.nl for free downloads! SO when you want to upload stuff, we have many members and they all download your stuff! It's all free.
Eloc13 - KRSTeam the Netrherlands
http://www.kujurailsimulator.nl

[KRSTeam]

I am the boss of kujurailsimulator.nl, and I am dissapointed in the spirit of the reskinners and moddelers.
I want this topic closed imediately.
This is violation of the copyright from "www.kujurailsimulator.nl", and so "kujurailsimulator.nl"
The name of our website is protected under the copyright law.

Thank you for closing...

[Easilyconfused]

The thread stays open.

1. UKTS does not close threads just because someone is not getting their way - only when our rules are broken.
2. There is nothing on the thread that could be construed as a breach of copyright.
3. URLs and domain names are there so people can find your site.

[FileEditor]

I am the boss of kujurailsimulator.nl, and I am dissapointed in the spirit of the reskinners and moddelers.
I want this topic closed imediately.
This is violation of the copyright from "www.kujurailsimulator.nl", and so "kujurailsimulator.nl"
The name of our website is protected under the copyright law.

Thank you for closing...

Sorry, but, ROFL!

[captaincooke]

Isn't this all getting a bit childish?

All that is required is a bit of common sense, respect and consideration for others. If someones gives you something for free, the least you should be is grateful, but gratitude seems to be in short supply.

[tads1970]

I am the boss Thank you for closing...

Does that mean we take more notice of what you say,ROFL

[ashgray]

The thread stays open.

1. UKTS does not close threads just because someone is not getting their way - only when our rules are broken.
2. There is nothing on the thread that could be construed as a breach of copyright.
3. URLs and domain names are there so people can find your site.

I don't give permission to UKtrainsim to have my url on their site.
And if I ask you to close this thread, than you must close it.
I must remove reskinns from my forum, because the authors don't want it there. And I remove it.

So close this topic now, if you don't I must thake other stepps.

[ashgray]

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[ashgray]

Post returned, topic unlocked

[UpsideDownBox]

I am the boss of kujurailsimulator.nl, and I am dissapointed in the spirit of the reskinners and moddelers.
I want this topic closed imediately.
This is violation of the copyright from "www.kujurailsimulator.nl", and so "kujurailsimulator.nl"
The name of our website is protected under the copyright law.

Thank you for closing...

I believe even if a URL could be copyrighted, it'd be owned by er... Kuju. Unless of course Kuju Rail Simulator is something completely different in Dutch, which pre-dated the game.

[jivebunny]

Yes, the name Kuju Rail Simulator belongs to Kuju, not to the boss of kujurailsimulator.nl...

Anyway, over the course of this thread I have been accused of not knowing the facts and of trying to tarnish the name of kujurailsimulator.nl, so it is time to set the record straight. I started this thread simply to alert people to the fact that the site was hosting content without permission. If the site had not been stealing people's work then this thread would not exist, simple.

Then there are the accusations of being a spoil-sport and having the "wrong" attitude to what I want to do with my work, so for those who do not believe in freedom of choice, here is my response to kujurailsimulator.nl's latest attempt to get me to change my mind:

No, for a number of reasons:

1) I want my content to be hosted on UKTS only, so that I can provide support and ensure everyone has the latest versions of my reskins and models.

2) Your website hosts work which was taken without permission and without crediting the authors. I do not want to be associated with such websites.

3) I have received an abusive message from someone who supports your site and who simply registered on UKTS to send me the message. I do not want to provide content and support to people like that.

Thank you,

JB

[Potoroo]

That's because they're reskins. I can't claim the model as my own, nor really can I claim the skin is my creation, more a manipulation of the default content.

As has already been explained, since you created the new skin through your own skill and labour your automatically own its copyright. If all you did was to tweak some minor part of a skin any claim you might make to owning the copyright might be dubious, but if the skin is unambiguously new then the copyright is yours.

In my opinion, anything I reskin, which is uploaded, automatically loses any restraints I wish to have on it... If you wish to remain some sort of control over a freeware model, don't release it. Otherwise it'll appear in scenarios and used in ways you didn't wish them to be used.

The law says otherwise. You are confusing freeware with public domain. Unfortunately, it is a common error, but ill-informed opinions like this only hurt those who want to protect their work.

Copyright ownership has nothing whatever to do with whether it is freeware or payware. The purpose of copyright is to protect a person's creation, regardless of whether the creator wants to charge people to use it or not. For example, a person may choose to make something they create available for free but still restrict its distribution. This is common in modding communities. Once the owner of a work's copyright, say in this case a new skin, attaches a readme file which says something to the effect that "this skin is freeware but may not be hosted on any site other than <some url>" then that has the force of law and any person (kujurailsimulator.nl take note) hosting that work on a different site is liable to civil court action.

If you create a new work and do not want to own its copyright then you must explicitly say so. In this case you attach a readme file that says "I created this work and I am putting it in the public domain. Do with it what you will." Once the work is in the public domain nobody owns it and anybody can do what they want to it.

The reason the distinction between freeware and public domain needs to be clear is that intellectual property rights must be defended or they may be lost. In other words, if you own the copyright on something but let every man and his dog do whatever they want with it then at some point a court could declare it to have passed into the public domain by neglect. If some years down the track you decide you don't like the mess your work has become and try to assert your rights to control it you might be very disappointed.

[UpsideDownBox]

That's because they're reskins. I can't claim the model as my own, nor really can I claim the skin is my creation, more a manipulation of the default content.

As has already been explained, since you created the new skin through your own skill and labour your automatically own its copyright. If all you did was to tweak some minor part of a skin any claim you might make to owning the copyright might be dubious, but if the skin is unambiguously new then the copyright is yours.

That isn't true. The re-skin usually ownly covers the parts which need re-skinning - the wheels, undersides, etc. don't change, so they're still the original skin - that makes it only partially created by me, at most and the model itself is Kuju/RSDL made.

If I tried to sell a re-skin like that, I'm sure RSDL would have something to say about it.

In my opinion, anything I reskin, which is uploaded, automatically loses any restraints I wish to have on it... If you wish to remain some sort of control over a freeware model, don't release it. Otherwise it'll appear in scenarios and used in ways you didn't wish them to be used.

The law says otherwise. You are confusing freeware with public domain. Unfortunately, it is a common error, but ill-informed opinions like this only hurt those who want to protect their work.[/quote]

You are confusing what I said. I did not claim anything relating to freeware effects copyright. What I said was "it'll appear in scenarios and used in ways you didn't wish them to be used". Which is true. It happened with reskins I created for MSTS and it'll happen with RS - I have no problem with it, because it'd be silly to ask all the time "can I use your re-skin in a screenshot to promote my route?" or "can I use your reskin in this scenario?" - if I didn't want people to use it for anything, I would have kept it to myself, cackling about the exclusive reskins I had.

The public domain debate really comes into play when talking about user-created models, for which, if I were a modeller, would consider charging people for (if I believed they were of a high enough standard), partly due to effort put in, but also to keep hold of the copyright.[/quote]