Atomic Systems

Potoroo, this issue could fill a whole thread (and has nothing to do with the original arguing here). Your example certainly maps good to some reskins in train simming (changing numbers, coming up with a brand new livery), but then there is weathering and change of logos. The first one concerns a large area, but the original colour shines through (if you do it by overlaying the dirt layer, or desaturating it). The second looks a bit like renumbering, but certainly is more difficult, depending on the size and shape of the emblem and the care you take about the details.

andrewscott, nowhere did I say that you would not have a right to an opinion.
My point is exactly this: To promote public domain models, you have three ways to go.

1) Create a model yourself and release it to the public domain. Even if this is just a single route or a single engine, you achieved 100% of your goal, regarding this fraction of the scene.

2) Talk to modellers in a friendly and constructive way, to convince them of the public domain idea. Most likely, you will have to give something in the process, that's the nature of humans. Like "I will make perfect physics for your engine, or reskins to all the liveries it had during its lifetime, if you release the shape to the public domain", or "I'll send you detailed scale drawings, if ...". Your success will depend on how the author of the model will perceive your contribution, and how well you argue, IMHO.

3) Say in public that people who believe in law and having rights are naive anyway, because the internet is a big & mighty anarchy machine, taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Even if the claim is not exactly true, people who mind their rights may become worried and not release their models at all. Therefore, I really don't like this third way. That is not to say that people would not have their rights to do and say as they please.

andrewscott wrote:
I am sorry, but thats utter rubbish. What is it with this community that seems to always come back to this point time and time again, i see it so often in debates here..."if you dont create something you dont have the right to an opinion" or "because i create something my opinion is superior to yours". we are all entitled to an opinion and to voice it whether we create anything or not. just because someone creates something for this sim doesnt mean there opinion is anymore true (or valid) than someone elses who may have never created anything before or may have created content for other games/simulations, everyone can have a view, especially regarding distribution channels because its something say even a total novice can understand without knowledge of the sim. How acurate those opinions are can be up for debate, but the opinions themselfs are just as valid.

If it creates a bad atmosphere then that is not necesserly the counter aguments fault.... could be both... bit unfair to lump the blame on the people championing a change in a reasoned manor don't you think? I think its more the fact that many people don't agree with you stance which is upsetting you, or creating a bad atmosphere whichever way you want to put it.

As a matter of practicality, in this case I do not think that all opinions are equal.

You can ignore my opinion on the matter with impunity, no harm there really.

If you ignore the opinion of those who create they can cease creating or distribute to only known and trusted colleagues. If the 'community' demands everything and gives nothing in return (except abuse), only the most philanthropic will bother to put stuff out there.

Hello everyone,
This topic was oppened, because of a fault at http://www.kujurailsimulator.nl
Today, we are going to ''start again''!!
We are appologise, for everything!! Better late than not
I hope, the problem will be solved now.
Every download at http://www.kujurailsimulator.nl is allowed! So I hope the problems will stop now!
Thank you, for read this message, and I hope you all will understand it.
The new name, is now trainmods.
SO once again, we apologise, see http://www.kujurailsimulator.nl/home-english.html
And I hope, that everythink would be normal, as it was, before the problems!!

Thank you mods, for placing this post!
Regards,
Trainmods

Trainmods,
That is the post I would wish had been posted about 5 pages ago. Let us all hope that henceforth, most of the energy put into this thread can be redirected towards enjoying and improving KRS.

Neil

Thanks for that Neil. At that point I am going to lock this thread since none of the "team" at http://www.kujurailsimulator.nl can reply. They can read in guest mode but nothing more.

Long standing members and those newer ones who have read the forum code of conduct at http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 68&t=58279 and the sanctions for not abiding by that at http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic. ... 68&t=50831 will know that creating a duplicate identity whilst banned scores a lifetime ban. Non negotiable since we have been round this loop before.

Ignorance of the code of conduct is no excuse - all new members are agree to it during the sign-up process.