Error (1000). ? please insert the original disk?

[JohnKendrick]

Does it need the original KRS disk in all the time? I couldn't live with it if it does.

Indeed I avoid any disc with copy protection as it can damage the CD/DVD hardware.

John

[phill70]

No, as far as I know you can take the disk out as soon as the sim has loaded.

Glyn

[miglietto]

On heavy usage of RS, alternating with the need to use the CD reader, who can protect the RS copy from the damage ?
When eventually in few months it will happen, do I will have to buy another copy ?

[AndiS]

If the DVD get bad really soon, you could try to get another one, depending on where you live and where you bought it. In most countries, consumer rights, which are stronger than any small print mandate that whatever you buy must last at least 6 month or a year or shorter, depending on your local laws. Unless it is normal to consume it, of course. For a DVD, the seller will have a difficult stance to show that a DVD typically does not last half a year, e.g.. Of course, all this is nasty, but, as said several times here, it is not going away by our complaints. What really helps is if people really stop buying such products, like with audio CDs. But with a new train sim coming out every 2 or 5 years, train simmers' consumer habits will never dominate the market or force EA to their knees.

[JohnKendrick]

No, as far as I know you can take the disk out as soon as the sim has loaded.

Glyn

Thanks Glyn, is that when the sim is first installed, or every time the program is run?

John

[johnarran]

You need the CD everytime you run the game. Once the game starts you can remove the CD.

[JohnKendrick]

Thanks. That's pathetic. Count me out from creating any content for this program until that restriction is reversed. I was considering purchasing it but not now.

John

[RSderek]

Thanks. That's pathetic. Count me out from creating any content for this program until that restriction is reversed. I was considering purchasing it but not now.

This will not be reversed anytime soon, and infact it is out of RSDL's hands.
Shame you won't give it a go because of this, would have been intersting to see what type of content you could have come up with.


regards

Derek

[overmarze]

Pathetic????

Over 20 percent of users of Rail sim have a bent verson wich means thay havnt payed for the full verson.

Now is that fair to Kuji????

[RSderek]

And the dog ate my homework!

[sniper297]

"Pathetic????"

As pathetic as it gets, what's the point of four megabytes worth of copy protection if it means the legit users have to go thru the hassle of protecting the original disc like the crown jewels, while the hackers only need a few minutes to undo all the work the devs put in on the copyguard? Back when computers used 12 inch reel to reel audio tape the mantle was backup backup backup so you wouldn't lose anything, same with magnetic 5 inch and later 3 inch floppies, make backup copies so you don't lose the data. In the days before hard disks most games came with instructions to make a player copy of the original, put the original in a safe place and use only the copy to actually play. WHEN (not if, fragile media) the play copy got ruined, make another from the original. Then some bozo came up with this key disk copyguard idea, now you MUST bring out the original every time you play, anything happens to the original the game is gone, no backup to restore from. I'm a single parent with an autistic child, and I work as an Autism Line Therapist, and I can tell you now that this key disk . is the bane of existance for everyone who has or works with special needs children. We honest to god don't need any more problems to watch out for, and the key disk BS is yet another looming disaster to anticipate. Modern tech don't help, CDs and DVDs are even more fragile than the 3 1/2 inch diskettes were, easy to scratch and with children, especially mentally handicapped children, easy to lose completely. Copyguard is pathetic, nothing but problems with no real benefit.

"Over 20 percent of users of Rail sim have a bent verson wich means thay havnt payed for the full verson."

Let's take that as gospel for a moment, doesn't that prove the point? If the copyguard did what it was supposed to do, that would be impossible. Frankly I doubt that statistic to begin with, how would you collect the data? Did everyone with an illegal copy fill out a self incriminating survey or something?

Frankly I don't blame people who refuse to buy something if they find out before purchase that it has copy protection, since copy protection means you LOSE the protection of having a safe copy stored away where it won't get lost or damaged.

[UpsideDownBox]

Round and round and round the conversation goes....

Much like the DVD in my drive!

[JohnKendrick]

Thanks. That's pathetic. Count me out from creating any content for this program until that restriction is reversed. I was considering purchasing it but not now.

This will not be reversed anytime soon, and infact it is out of RSDL's hands.
Shame you won't give it a go because of this, would have been intersting to see what type of content you could have come up with.


regards

Derek

I would have loved to have had a go at creating some content for RS such as a redo of the YCR. However, having to find the original disk and insert it each time I ran the program would drive me crazy. I keep all my original discs in the loft so I know they are relatively safe and know where they are!! Loose discs are easily damaged or lost and at £35 that is no small sum to risk that fate (or do the distributors offer a replacement should fate strike?) Creating the YCR for MSTS took many many months of work and had that needed the disc inserting each time some work was done on the construction it would have been worn out several times over. Indeed the original PC itself was destroyed such was the work needed on it, let alone the potential for destroying the CD it came on had it needed to be inserted each time the progam was run!

As stated earlier, the only people who suffer from this kind of restriction are legitimate users. Those with 'cracked' copies are not affected at all.

I believe the issue with copy protection on discs goes beyond the inconvenience of having to keep inserting the original disc. HD DVD is here now (PC drives are available for less than £100 and are ready installed in some new PC's) and I suspect it is highly possible that non standard DVDs such as RS's would not be readable at all on these hybrid drives which will soon be common place in most PCs. Remember the issues with audio CD copy protection measures such as those used by BMG and EMI which meant that the discs would not work on some CD players in PCs and car players as the discs were not red book standard. Perhaps Derek can confirm RS's compatibility with hybrid HD DVD drives.


John

[bigvern]

Unfortunately the software publishers seem quite inflexible on this issue. However it is quite correct, these media do deteriorate. I recently had to replace my GTA:SA DVD-ROM after just under two years of relatively intensive use. In this case though the game is now out on budget so it only cost me £14.99 as opposed to the original £29.99 and I could probably have found it cheaper if I'd been prepared to go mail order. All things being equal, I have a feeling RS will be out on budget sooner rather than later. Looked in my local Game Store the other day and it has already been knocked out of their "Top 20" section, just one copy on the alphabetical shelf. So it should not be that expensive to replace when the time comes (and there's always going to be the odd copy kicking around on Ebay).

Re HD-DVD, if anything these are even more fragile than existing DVD's. One scratch or mark and the content is liable to stutter or pause during playback (without going OT, Blu-Ray disc it has to be said is much better and more robust).

[UpsideDownBox]

If you check page 15 of the Rail Simulator booklet, you will see that the DVD has a 3 month limited warranty (from date of purchase) that it will be free from operational defects. Any defects at this time can be sent to EA and you will receive a replacement DVD, for free (assuming you have proof of purchase, etc).

After this 3 month period, you can receive a new disc for £7.50, plus the original.

I've yet to have any disc malfunction, but I vaguely remember a Gran Turismo 2 disc not working (before it had even been used) which needed to be replaced.

As a student, I spent many a day and night playing Total Club Manager 03 (04 and 05 too) or FIFA05 or GTA:SA. That is repeated playing, day after day, for sometimes, up to 7 or 8 hours (Yes, I know. I should get out more...)

I have yet to have any faults with any of those discs, despite all of them requiring the disc in the drive. Sometimes the disc has been ejected and turned out to be very warm, but apart from that, I have had no problems.

I do see the point of copy protection - it prevents people making copies for their friends, in the way that people can do with CDs and mp3s and so on...

I remember being about 13 or 14 when that topic came up between my friends and I, after we realised a particular game wasn't copy protected. All it took to play it was the original installation. Out of 4 people, there was only one sale. The company that made the game suffer from the sales they could've had, they introduce copy protection and now a game everyone wants, you have to buy.

If those who were irked by keeping DVDs in the drive were in the majority, there'd be a lot more people complaining of "I've installed Rail Simulator and now it requires the DVD each time I wwish to play it!" as there has been with every other "fault" (quoted because a fault could be a perceived one, not an actual fault which causes a catastrophic error).

It'd also be causing the games industry far more harm as magazines would be writing in their reviews "contains copy protection" so those boycotting copy protection wouldn't buy it, but then, they probably wouldn't buy any game as everything is copy protected.