Atomic Systems

Hi Adam & Derek

Thanks for the Dev Tools and Docs. Plenty of interesting reading and no doubt I will have lots of fun and hair-pulling to get content made to a good enough standard. Also I think you guys deserve praise for continuing to post on here with restraint and good humour in face of some of the comments. It's got to the stage with me that as soon as I see certain poster's names I skip over their comments as it will just be another rant ad nauseam. I wish those who say they have returned to MSTS would do just that and stay off the RS forum.

I like RS, have used it daily since getting it and enjoy it more and more all the time. I am totally confident that the current bugs will be sorted and that RS will go from strength to strength.

Thanks for what you are doing guys and keep taking the tablets.

John

I agree wholeheartedly with John's sentiments. I was horrified to read the negative comments about the licence last night and was delighted when the authors were politely put in their place by Adam and Derek. Don't we all want RS to succeed? It won't if we keep knocking it especially with unjustified comments.

Llew Bach

Here here.

I must admit that I have had one or two concerns in the past (some justified, some not), but these have by and large been put to rest by Adam and Derek. I have to say that I respect the fact that they talk about their product (despite probably being between a rock and a hard place at times), and welcome their involvement in the wider train sim community.

RSDL, if you read this, thanks for the tools, and I will drop in to your stand on Saturday.

I must say that I am impressed by the quality of the manuals. Given the time pressure, I am very surprise about the absence of errors. On some 60+ pages, I spotted exactly one, and it was a minuscule one. I cannot remember reading a technical document which was prepared with so much care.

Granted, I would have hoped for some reference manuals, but I understand very much that first come the user manuals/tutorials. And I'd say they do their job well.

I have not tried the tools yet, but going by the description of the scenario editing, I must say that I love the looks of it.

Cheers!

It is very good.
When the small niggles are fixed it'll be even better.
With the talent thats out there, I'm sure we can look forward to a blinding simulator this time next year.

Hear Hear Ditto to the above


Pete Doré

Yes I certainly want to agree that what i've looked at the developer docs looks extremely good and very useful.

Matt.

I'm glad that at last somebody is standing up for RS. As said it seems like some people have just had it in for RS since day one even the ones who dont even own it or have tried it?!?!?

Anyway the dev tools look excellent, I'm no expert at them so I was amazed that just an hour after downloading & installing the said tools on the release evening I was in freecam on my layout watching about 20 minutes worth of AI traffic passing me by.... Wow was all I could say especially as a restday the day after & some cans of beer meant I wasnt exactly %100. . They obey the signals I have placed (Need to move some around as I've noticed that they stop where the trackmark in the fourfoot is with this sim,rather than the signal itself as per MSTS). The day after I actually read some of the docs & they are first rate, that was also the first time I had read that each track section has a direction! The manual pointed out how to change this for correct operation & now the AI goes exactly where I want it to & frieghts stay out of the way of my express trains. None of the old MSTS class 8 freight out infront of your HST malarky! YAY!

Anyway thanks to the RSDL

It would be no good to me if if couldn't moan about it at times and so it provides everything

Where's the fun in perfection?

Never had the chance to find out though

Hi
I have really enjoyed KRS from when i first installed it.
Its a huge leap forward in train simming,and now with the dev tools its opened up a whole new world to fiddle with.
I have said on previous threads that IMHO most of the constant KRS bashing was more about noses being put out of joint, than genuine concern. its a shame.
I have great faith in KRS and see it as having a great future.
I agree with the other posters here its time! the bashing was given a rest .

with kind regards
kevin

AndiS wrote:I must say that I am impressed by the quality of the manuals. Given the time pressure, I am very surprise about the absence of errors. On some 60+ pages, I spotted exactly one, and it was a minuscule one. I cannot remember reading a technical document which was prepared with so much care.

I spotted one rather amusing (minor) error somewhere: a scenario was mistakenly referred to as an "activity". I cannot remember where, alas, but somebody has evidently been playing a lot of MSTS...

Perhaps there is room for respect and restraint on both sides? This needs to be a forum where people can air what they consider to be genuine concerns, whether it be the licencing, graphics or any other issue without being jumped on by "attack dogs". Please remember too, some of have been around these sims (and I don't just mean MSTS and TRS) for a long time, so do have a reasonable idea what we are talking about. Equally those of us with reservations need to recognise there are many who have embraced EARS and cannot see what all the fuss is about.

Maybe then we can find a middle ground and take things forward in a way that does not lead to confrontation when someone posts a "best thing since sliced bread" message and promptly gets laughed at, or "this feature is rubbish" and gets mauled by the resident rottweilers?

bigvern wrote:Maybe then we can find a middle ground and take things forward in a way that does not lead to confrontation when someone posts a "best thing since sliced bread" message and promptly gets laughed at, or "this feature is rubbish" and gets mauled by the resident rottweilers?

Surely, there should never be a argument put forward to restrain praise? Over-enthusiasm can be irritating but what harm does it do? Encourage people to buy and try the product? Are customers considered too stupid to see the difference between an over-enthusiastic youngster and a more mature post?

Criticism will always be another matter. There's been criticism in the bucketload here, much of it with foundation and people have been very patient. It's the repetition, tone and protracted nature of the criticism without a hint of praise which has caused any problems. Much of it would've been best sorted out in private. People who cause problems should never be allowed to blame those who want to enjoy the game or place the onus upon them for a solution.

johndibben wrote:

bigvern wrote:Maybe then we can find a middle ground and take things forward in a way that does not lead to confrontation when someone posts a "best thing since sliced bread" message and promptly gets laughed at, or "this feature is rubbish" and gets mauled by the resident rottweilers?

Surely, there should never be a argument put forward to restrain praise? Over-enthusiasm can be irritating but what harm does it do? Encourage people to buy and try the product? Are customers considered too stupid to see the difference between an over-enthusiastic youngster and a more mature post?

Criticism will always be another matter. There's been criticism in the bucketload here, much of it with foundation and people have been very patient. It's the repetition, tone and protacted nature of the criticism without a hint of praise which has caused any problems. Much of it would've been best sorted out in private. People who cause problems should never be allowed to blame those who want to enjoy the game or place the onus upon them for a solution.

True, but generally speaking those that complain dont give those that are having fun a hard time, it is those that are having fun who are hammering those that have issues, in short telling them to get a life or go away. I've not seen many or any posts where some one who has issues with RS, has criticised some one who is having lots of fun and is happy with what they have, though l have seen plenty of other posts going the other way from staunch RS supporters towards those with concerns.

I dont read all threads or posts so maybe l missed something but the general air from those ( we do talk privately ) who have concerns and issues ( collectively named the pitchfork brigade ) is one of you're not welcome here, and generally speaking, those with concerns are content providers, some prolific and some less so but none the less important to supporting the longevity of any sim.

Regards

mickoo737 wrote:True, but generally speaking those that complain dont give those that are having fun a hard time, it is those that are having fun who are hammering those that have issues, in short telling them to get a life or go away. I've not seen many or any posts where some one who has issues with RS, has criticised some one who is having lots of fun and is happy with what they have, though l have seen plenty of other posts going the other way from staunch RS supporters towards those with concerns.

I dont read all threads or posts so maybe l missed something but the general air from those ( we do talk privately ) who have concerns and issues ( collectively named the pitchfork brigade ) is one of you're not welcome here, and generally speaking, those with concerns are content providers, some prolific and some less so but none the less important to supporting the longevity of any sim.

That's life I'm afraid and if I stood in the middle of a group of people at a meeting and moaned loudly and repeatedly I'd probably be asked to leave. There's no difference. That which people have done in the past counts for nothing, even in MSTS, under such circumstances. It may be noticed content providers are only as popular as their last contribution. Their influence above others dwindles rapidly. I doubt many on here have even heard of the 'grandees' of the past.

To enjoy something usually means defending it. That may be a football club, pop group or whatever. Not to do so would be not to be a genuine supporter and a 'hanger on' who's loyalty wavers.

New sim, fresh start, all are equal and no one is above anyone else.