Credit where credit is due.

[jbilton]

Hi
I think the announcement of the patches would go a good way to shutting up the majority of critics.
Cheers
Jon

[Easilyconfused]

Fully agree Jon.

Hopefully they can fix the trailing points problem that gets me near to hurling the PC through the window

[CaptScarlet]

Hi
I think the announcement of the patches would go a good way to shutting up the majority of critics.
Cheers
Jon

Don't bet on it, usually it leads to a whole lot of other complaints about why this or that isnt getting fixed etc. Then the whole cycle continues after its released for anything missed or broken by the patch.

John

[MaxFreak]

If you have anyone in any walk of life who repeatedly criticises without provocation, he or she will be criticised in turn. The former is causing the disquiet and the latter pointing it out. They are not the same and only by perverting logic could both be held to blame equally.

I could say that those constantly complaining require a response to continue to complain as if no one replied then their criticism would soon drop down the page. However, reasonably content supporters of the RS arn't organised, far more numerous and a response is guaranteed. To award themselves 'victim status' and complain about an invetible response is a simply a ploy. It would never cut any ice in any gathering of people anywhere in society.

Now I'm not simply arguing the toss but making a serious suggestion in thiis post. I've been considering it carefully today and come up with the following proposal to achieve peace where such is sought, protects those who do and punishes those who do not.

The suggestion is based upon the rules which ban text speak, bad language or posting in a manner likely to cause offence. It also reflects the clear annoyance to mods and members of multiple posts in differing or even the same forums. It also draws upon the notion that the moderators' word is final. There's a slight problem with the final point in that moderators have expressed publicly, differing levels of tolerance to RS which I said would be a problem.

The proposal is simply that multiple posts making the same point either directly or indirectly are not allowed within a reasonable period. Moderators to define reasonable. This would prevent repeated comments and repeated replies and the downward spiral which ensues. This would avoid many arguments as most go around in circles.

Everyone would be able to make their point. This is a discussion forum and everyone else would be able to place their own point in reply (once). Everyone would have to consider their post more carefully. The circle is broken.

This would improve matters on all forums.

There is no reason for repetition within a short period and if prevented would prevent repetition of replies.

It is so, so simple and workable.

I'm well aware of the urge to have the last word but a well thought out criticism will stand on it's own merits and if supported by others will gain in credibility. However, if the majority do not agree then the original poster will have to accept he or she is in the minority. They can have a poll if they feel others may not wish speak out as it's anonymous.

Those with good intent and mods who want to spend less time reading repititious posts which will inevitably require action unless someone 'wins', would surely support this proposal to amend the rules.

I'm looking for an equitable solution.

I believe this is it.

.......

Those with good intent and mods who want to spend less time reading repititious posts which will inevitably require action unless someone 'wins', would surely support this proposal to amend the rules.

I love this bit .... Censorship at it's finest

An alternative solution .... all parties agree to disagree and total deletion of these forums ... has the same result as John seeks and there are no " Winners " or " Losers "

~A~

[johndibben]

I'm repeating myself again but the fact is the most persitant and repetious critics started long before release or are far more concerned about other matters.

First it was the rumours but they were proved false and so now it's the bugs.

There are those of us who attempt to assist others far more than myself and answer questions.

Others are so uninterested that they only post to criticise and not one post offering praise, not one post offering assistance, not one post about what they'd like to achieve with RS and not one post expressing the slightest satisfaction with any aspect of the game.

I've every sympathy with those that get frustrated from time to time as I have myself and never seen anyone who posted about issues without repeating themselves having any problems with other posters.

[johndibben]

Those with good intent and mods who want to spend less time reading repititious posts which will inevitably require action unless someone 'wins', would surely support this proposal to amend the rules.

I love this bit .... Censorship at it's finest

An alternative solution .... all parties agree to disagree and total deletion of these forums ... has the same result as John seeks and there are no " Winners " or " Losers "

~A~

Whatever you say.

With no issue rather than an opinion there's nothing to discuss.

[AndiS]

Hopefully they can fix the trailing points problem that gets me near to hurling the PC through the window

While I agree that a train should not derail in trailing points, aren't many of these cases - if not all - just faults in the default content. Now I agree that the seller should fix his product himself, but in practice the community proved to be faster in the past.

[CaptainBazza]

I managed to get one of those HST things about 1 km, whoopee, before it 'derails' on some 'invisible' set of points! The route ahead monitor is meaningless, there is no way to accertain which are the offending points or how they're set. But this is an old, tired, moan, isn't it?!

Cheers Bazza

[CaptainBazza]

Everyone would be able to make their point. This is a discussion forum and everyone else would be able to place their own point in reply (once). Everyone would have to consider their post more carefully. The circle is broken.

Much like the set of points my train keeps derailing on.

Hell's bells Jon, I wonder if you could obey your own rules.

[CaptainBazza]

That which people have done in the past counts for nothing, even in MSTS, under such circumstances. It may be noticed content providers are only as popular as their last contribution. Their influence above others dwindles rapidly. I doubt many on here have even heard of the 'grandees' of the past.

My, my, that's a very, very, big chip on the shoulder, John?

Cheers Bazza

Ex Grandee of Train

[johndibben]

That which people have done in the past counts for nothing, even in MSTS, under such circumstances. It may be noticed content providers are only as popular as their last contribution. Their influence above others dwindles rapidly. I doubt many on here have even heard of the 'grandees' of the past.

My, my, that's a very, very, big chip on the shoulder, John?

Cheers Bazza

Ex Grandee of Train

What on Earth produced this post?!

It was the last of three posts within minutes. The first a moan which we've all had ages ago, the second asking me if I'd abide by my own suggestion which is 'yes', if it brought peace and order to this forum and it was intended to do and now a quote from last wednesday.

Assuming anyone who agreed was equally bitter then your argument extends further than myself.

It may be noticed content providers are only as popular as their last contribution. Their influence above others dwindles rapidly. I doubt many on here have even heard of the 'grandees' of the past.

Agreed and a rather shallow attitude even you l think would agree with. Sadly the gimipigs rule, if you dont supply the latest and greatest your a nobody.

This is a widespread idea and one many would agree with.

If the 'grandees' label was taken as an insult I can assure you it wasn't as apart from the excellent Trainz Sir Gibby site, I'd never heard of you until you joined UKTS.

This post comes as a disappointment as I was looking for somewhere to post an apology for my behaviour last night.


My father was taken into hospital yesterday afternoon with bleeding from one of his ulcerated legs that could not be stopped. Thankfully the hospital has managed to stop the bleeding although he will require a transfusion and will be in until tomorrow for assessment.

My frustration and contempt got the better of me and not even the above excuses that as I've been around here long enough and old enough to know better. My sincere apologies to members, mods and Derek and Adam.

I've not been prompted to apologise by the mods who havn't contacted me on this issue.

My manners were bad enough to warrant a little holdiday and I acknowledge that without reservation and will not allow it to happen again.

[mickoo737]

John,

Publically I wish your father all the best and I think we all do here, l lost my mother a few months ago after loosing her 18 month battle with cancer, it is still fresh enough in my mind to realise how it effects people....even when you dont think it has in your own mind.

The Grandees statement didnt worry me, l took it in the vein it was ment and yes l agre with your view, people only are as good as there last project and might i suggest there last forum posts.

I think you misread Bazzas post, one was aimed at Jon, the other at John, they're quite distinct, the onus is not all on you.

I was suprised by last nights posts, our banter is usually stormy, but not that bad, then l noticed posts elsewhere and to others and alarm bells did begin to ring, that is not your normal modus operandi, your explantion above clearly explains why, l think a lot of us 'grandees' have sailed a little to close to the wind recently, time to hove too or change tack I feel.

I will publically bury the RS hatchet here and now, enough people have said enough for us all to know where we all stand.

Kindest

Michael

[johndibben]

I think you misread Bazzas post, one was aimed at Jon, the other at John, they're quite distinct, the onus is not all on you.

It was my quote, no Jon had posted and often called Jon by people.

It doesn't matter in any event.

Thank you for your good wishes.

Can appreciate your feelimgs as my mother died of a wasting disease although 12 years ago now.

I'm far from being a 'grandee' but will hove to, drop anchor, splice the mainbrace and pass the cabin boy or whatever and go back to bing daft

[dkightley]

John

Do please pass on best wishes from us all to your father,,,and I wish him a speedy recovery.



And apologies to all for this hijacking the subject of the thread.

[stewart]

John

Do please pass on best wishes from us all to your father,,,and I wish him a speedy recovery.



And apologies to all for this hijacking the subject of the thread.

I would like to second that post.