Rail sim a game or a sim build

[ged4246uk]

What is rail sim?

Most people want something they can take apart and put back together in their own way. Rail sim lets you do this.
A lot has been said about rail sim, this is not a post to say if rail sim is good or bad. so please do not post to say if you like it or not. We have been in that direction.
I think rail sim is like lego. You have the foundation to take it to bits and build whatever you like.
Why do i think this? Lets look at some things, before rail sim came out members put ideas to the makers of rail sim to say what they would like. Most members wanted to be able to change the game into what they wanted.

Some facts.
Some members are already changing files, rail sim lets you do this and games don't.
If you look at the rail sim web site there are lots of things that are not really add ons such as buildings and scenery. Licence for tools LTD.
I think this is what you are really paying for. I believe it is a third party rail sim build, you build your own railway if this so maybe it should have been called rail simulation builder.
After all most members wanted a rail sim to enable them to build routes to their own design not how a add on would be built by a commercial company.Not another msts
This is only my thoughts. No way am i connected to rail sim or E.A sports.

[wmghobbs]

That is my way of looking at it as well. The included routes give us something to play with and something to take apart and get an understanding of how the sim works. My decision to purchase was based more on an evaluation of what I could understand about the platform included more than the initial routes. Its something new to tinker with. I reached a point with the old MSTS when I had done about as much with the physics areas that interested me as I thought I could and so have been back to work on my model layout for some months. When my copy of KRS makes it across the pond, I should be near a stopping point on my layout and the developer's tools should be available. So I will spend some time looking at how the steam locos, couplers, car physics, and sound work. Should be interesting to see what has changed.

Bill Hobbs

[pmorgancym]

I think it uncomfortably staddles the two, I suspect it's not hardcore enough to satisfy true sim fans, and the current scenarios are not enough to make it a game.

For it to be a true game there need to be challenges, aims etc. Some sort of career mode or set of "career" scenarios would go some way towards doing this,and make learning the sim/game less hit and miss, the current scenarios can be like walking round a maze made of glass walls, thump! no thats the wrong way, thump! no not there, ahh no thump thats ok and so on, which makes it as a game fustrating.

It gets fustrating ecause you can see the potential for it to be really good as a game and a sim.

[johny]

If the lead item is to be believed, I wonder why or how all those freeware items such as, routes, locomotives, carriages, signals and other MSTS items come to reside in the extensive UKTS and TS-com file libraries. Wait until the required tools are released before passing judgement, at least MSTS was, and still is, capable of being worked on "out of the box", it remains to be seen what can be done with Rail Simulator. Microsoft didn't require freeware builders to sign some restrictive licence agreement before they can download the necessary tools, they were already supplied even if they were imperfect in some eyes. As for listening to what the community wanted, pull the other one, they didn't even pay attention to what they were privately being told on technical matters.

John

[ged4246uk]

If the lead item is to be believed, I wonder why or how all those freeware items such as, routes, locomotives, carriages, signals and other MSTS items come to reside in the extensive UKTS and TS-com file libraries. Wait until the required tools are released before passing judgement, at least MSTS was, and still is, capable of being worked on "out of the box", it remains to be seen what can be done with Rail Simulator. Microsoft didn't require freeware builders to sign some restrictive licence agreement before they can download the necessary tools, they were already supplied even if they were imperfect in some eyes. As for listening to what the community wanted, pull the other one, they didn't even pay attention to what they were privately being told on technical matters

John

I Think you miss the point i was trying to make . Is rs game or sim build its not a mater if you believed me or not ,like the other post.my post ist msts had this or rs has this. We have been ther. The rest is my thorts and what i think.i can not see wear i have pass judgememt if it sounds if i have wear in my postand if so i will chang it

[johndibben]

The problem with using the plethora of models for download as an example of success is that many simply arn't used or used for a very short period.

I can remember people years ago suddenly finding that there was something wrong with the model and no one had apparently noticed desptie hundreds of downloads! Takes people by surprise when it happens.

If your model is used in activity, then you can be more assured that it's used. Activity makers don't get the recognition they deserve.

Of course that's MSTS again and Trainz is another matter.

The Trainz DLS has far more items of scenery than MSTS which means you can build your own layouts or routes.

RS isn't a rplacement for MSTS.

It's being treated as such completely without foundation, was never sold as such, never claimed to be such and simply a false assumption based upon that which people want rather than that which is being offered.

[growler37]

The problem with using the plethora of models for download as an example of success is that many simply arn't used or used for a very short period.

I can remember people years ago suddenly finding that there was something wrong with the model and no one had apparently noticed desptie hundreds of downloads! Takes people by surprise when it happens.

If your model is used in activity, then you can be more assured that it's used. Activity makers don't get the recognition they deserve.

Of course that's MSTS again and Trainz is another matter.

The Trainz DLS has far more items of scenery than MSTS which means you can build your own layouts or routes.

RS isn't a rplacement for MSTS.

It's being treated as such completely without foundation, was never sold as such, never claimed to be such and simply a false assumption based upon that which people want rather than that which is being offered.

Absolutely right john,
comparing KRS with Trainz or MSTS,is a total waste of time!the only connection between them is the subject.
We had this tribalism when Trainz was released, it seems to have reared its ugly head again,its a shame, because its not very constructive ,it just ruins the
forums ,with constant bickering which helps no one.
As to is KRS a sim or a game,thats were its clever! the answer is its both!
with regards kevin

[pgmetcalf]

yawn

[growler37]

yawn

Gosh! i,m really impressed with your grasp ofthe cornish langauge,because "yawn" or YA!WN translated means,"I am really impressed with this simulator,well
done the KRS team!

[johndibben]

We had this tribalism when Trainz was released, it seems to have reared its ugly head again...

Not quite true as UKTS embraced Trainz with great enthusiasm when it was released .... but not for long. It wasn't the sim itself rather than other issues which completely changed the attitude to Trainz until fairly recently.

I know RS would've had a hard time irrespective of any bugs, again, with issues unrelated to the sim itself.

No longer involved or interested in these issues, my view is allow RS or any other new sim, to stand or fall upon what it is and not politics and tribalism which cannot be denied.

[growler37]

Hi,i think things are settling down here now, new products to the market always invoke strong feelings,some of the comments against trainz when it was first released was that it was like a model railway sim,but just take a look on the trainz screenshot page,a model railway sim it most certainly isnt,some of the routes are staggeringly realistic,the trainz route editor is excellent and easy to use,as is the KRS world editor,so route creation is now opened up to all.the creation of detailed routes in MSTS was difficult and time consuming,but some very talented people gave the community some fantastic routes,i have just
been driving the fantastic looe branch on MSTS,the point is TRAINZ,MSTS, KRS,all live in harmony on the hardrive of my pc,they are all completly different from
each other, thats what makes them so fascinating.

regards kevin

[jbilton]

RS isn't a rplacement for MSTS.

It's being treated as such completely without foundation, was never sold as such, never claimed to be such and simply a false assumption based upon that which people want rather than that which is being offered.

This is the game that Rail enthusiasts have been waiting for! Rail Simulator provides the most realistic simulation of trains possible on a PC. Plus we provide you, the player, with powerful tools to create your own railway world.

http://www.railsimulator.com/about-rail-simulator

I suppose it can be mis-interpreted

Cheers
Jon

[RSderek]

Jon, have you played it yet?

regards

Derek

[jbilton]

Jon, have you played it yet?

regards

Derek

Hi Derek
No unfortunately not, currently afer I select a train the game closes.
Cheers
Jon

[johndibben]

This is the game that Rail enthusiasts have been waiting for! Rail Simulator provides the most realistic simulation of trains possible on a PC. Plus we provide you, the player, with powerful tools to create your own railway world.

http://www.railsimulator.com/about-rail-simulator

I suppose it can be mis-interpreted

Cheers
Jon

I'm not alone in being a rail enthusiast and waiting for RS and so no problem there

I'd say it is the most realistic simulation but not in all aspects of something which has never been defined sufficiently to dispute the claim.

It's on my PC

I'm using powerful tools and creating my own railway world.

It does exactly what it say on the tin in the above respects, I'm doing it and so I'm not sure what the point is

I want more and fully expect to get it.

If I didn't I could hardly complain on the grounds of the above as I've posted all over this forum that I'm doing what it says I can do