Atomic Systems

I bought KRS on its first day of release and was eager to get it installed, just to see what improvements there were, over the six year old MSTS.

After just over 2 weeks, to be honest, I am very dissapointed, with the product overall. 4 out of 10 Kuju could have done much much better than this bug ridden effort.

This simulator is so full of bugs, it should never have been released in this state. I think Kuju have rushed out this product, no doubt with the insistance of EA Games, to meet a certain deadline. What about the American Version? If America had got this version, with all its bugs, they wouldn't have been very pleased. I wouldn't mind betting that the American Version will have the patch included. Kuju are using the European Railsim Community to beta test this simulator. if you ask me, when they should have done it before release. I would have gladly waited another month to six weeks for a copy that was as near perfect, rather than what we have been given in this early release.

Why couldn't these new tools, that are coming in November, have been included in the DVD. I bet the American Version will have them and if the instructions for the new tools are as breif as the instructions that came with the sim, they won't be of much use to anyone

We have seen a few unofficial tweaks for KRS over the past few weeks, relating to cab view positions.
Even Matt has done a video, explaining how to change stock to be used on any route. Why couldn't this have been explaned in the instructions, which are about as much use as something scribbled on the back of a fag packet, especially to the novice.

The novice to rail simulating, has not been adressed at all. Ok for those that have had MSTS, because they know what to expect and how to understand how most things work. The instructions that come with KRS explain what certain things do, but NOT HOW TO DO IT! Not very instructive at all really.

Even the Program Folders are a bit confusing, not like MSTS, where everything speaks for itself, Routes (with names, not numbers as in KRS) Trainset & Consists in MSTS (which speak for themselves) instead of Assets, which eventually gets you to the Trains Folders after opening several file folders. This is okay for those that are familiar with going into the Programs Files, but what about the ordinary guy, who hasn't a clue about how to find where things are stored.
Sorry, but the Program File System for KRS could have been made much easier to look at, than it is. To delete a Route, you have to go into another folder and delete some of the text, not as simple as MSTS, where you just send the particular Route Folder to the Recycle Bin, or store it in another folder.

When the upgrade patch becomes available, to overcome all the reported bugs, it is going to be quite a long list. I have never known a new released game, to have had as many bugs as KRS has.

Let's just hope they get everything right with the patch.

I am that fed up with running the same scenarios, I have decided to uninstall KRS and put the DVD back in its case, until things are improved on.

I still have MSTS installed and always will have, despite its age and quirks, to me it is much better than KRS in a lot of areas. Decent looking rain, insted of the massive droplets showing in KRS and wipers that don't have any effect when running. The skies in MSTS are much more realistic than KRS skies, especially if you use Sky Conductor or Kosmos. AND the quality of some of the latest routes for MSTS are much much better to run on, Dorset Coast V4, Thames Mersey V4, Cannock Chase V5, to name but a few, than the default routes of KRS.

I'm afraid that MSTS still provides me with much more enjoyment for the present, whether this will be the case in twelve months time when KRS has improved, I can't say, but for the time being, I'm sticking with MSTS.

It's amazing how unwilling people are to try and learn about the sim, of course MSTS is better if you want all that content but I've had enough of that game, just doesn't do it for me anymore at all.. The sim is not full of bugs, I encounter few bugs to be honest, can't think of any that have affected my gameplay, maybe poor signalling leading to turn-outs but apart from that it's functioned how I'd expect... Just because some things don't work the way they did in MSTS doesn't mean it's buggy.

Lastly, I see no reason why we should choose between RS and MSTS? Just have both...

Hi,
knowing a lot about msts is no advantage, KRS is totally different,were all begginers,
i agree with richard,it is not full of bugs! i have run it fine since install,no problems.
i also have msts,krs,trainz 2004 installed on my pc.
kevin.

phat2003uk wrote:It's amazing how unwilling people are to try and learn about the sim, of course MSTS is better if you want all that content but I've had enough of that game, just doesn't do it for me anymore at all.. The sim is not full of bugs, I encounter few bugs to be honest, can't think of any that have affected my gameplay, maybe poor signalling leading to turn-outs but apart from that it's functioned how I'd expect... Just because some things don't work the way they did in MSTS doesn't mean it's buggy.

Then I suggest you read through some of the topics on these Forums and see just how many bugs there really are. I am not refering to the differences with MSTS either.

Please make me a list of signifciant bugs that affect gameplay then, the amount of significant bugs in Rail Simulator is a bit of a myth.

I quite like KRS, but then again i am easily pleased.

It runs rather well on my system, and i have had no problems up to press. ( touch a rather large and well varnished piece of wood! )

Yes, it has got a few bugs at the moment, but hasn't virtually every other game/sim on the market?

I have got both MSTS and KRS on my system, and that is how it is going to stay for a long time, as i still like going on MSTS.

I think once the bugs are sorted out, and more routes and traction/rolling stock start to appear, KRS will become really rather spiffing! ( well, at least for me anyway! )

Cheers,
Terrone.

phat2003uk wrote:Please make me a list of signifciant bugs that affect gameplay then, the amount of significant bugs in Rail Simulator is a bit of a myth.

Read through Member Reviews Topic. and see what bugs have been discovered. Also see the scores given by those that commented. Not exactly, good scores for something that should have been put right in the first place.

phat2003uk wrote:Please make me a list of signifciant bugs that affect gameplay then, the amount of significant bugs in Rail Simulator is a bit of a myth.

Something like 95%+ of reported bugs are minor. KRS is very playable.

steamnut44 wrote:Let's just hope they get everything right with the patch.

I take it you'll be re-installing it, then, on the Glorious 12th.

There seems to be an awful lot of "Moaning Minnies" around at the moment. I'm keeping the faith until the patch is released before making my final judgement.

JustinEss wrote:

phat2003uk wrote:Please make me a list of signifciant bugs that affect gameplay then, the amount of significant bugs in Rail Simulator is a bit of a myth.

Something like 95%+ of reported bugs are minor. KRS is very playable.

well that depends what your definition of "minor" is and what you count as "playable".

It seems to me that because this is a new rail sim that has great potential, people are all to happy to brush over the issues that should have been fixed in the first place.

steamnut44 wrote:

phat2003uk wrote:Please make me a list of signifciant bugs that affect gameplay then, the amount of significant bugs in Rail Simulator is a bit of a myth.

Read through Member Reviews Topic. and see what bugs have been discovered. Also see the scores given by those that commented. Not exactly, good scores for something that should have been put right in the first place.

I never see a list though, what really are the problems? There are lots of people saying it's rubbish, blah blah blah but they can never bring up many things fundamentally wrong. Reviews are useless if they are influenced by the 'bugs myth' and done by people who have only had it a week or so, the unfamilarity can contribute to the whole bad feeling around it.

danielw2599 wrote:

JustinEss wrote:

phat2003uk wrote:Please make me a list of signifciant bugs that affect gameplay then, the amount of significant bugs in Rail Simulator is a bit of a myth.

Something like 95%+ of reported bugs are minor. KRS is very playable.

well that depends what your definition of "minor" is and what you count as "playable".

Okay, we know the signalling isn't too clever but what else?

I remember the pioneering spirit when MSTS started and see people I'd not heard of for a while mucking in to make something of RS. They clearly relish the challenge. In some ways we're almost all equal again and MSTS hasn't tested members in the same way for years. No shortage of stock and routes. Trainz is almost at it's optimum but there's not the variety of stock of the quality which took a long while to produce.

RS is keeping me busy and interested as I figure out how to make something with less choice. Attempting to keep up with those who've again begun to give us the ability to alter files is a job in itself

I could give up and throw it in the bin but I'd have regretted it with MSTS and Trainz had I done so.

I'd go so far to suggest that those pioneers now will be in pole position when RS takes off and if MSTS2 is released.

Default MSTS gave the UK about four activities for the S&C with one loco' and stock. That said I enjoyed the Flying Scotsman and steam loco's and even now will race from Carlisle to Settle and through the buffers to beat my own record

johndibben wrote:I remember the pioneering spirit when MSTS started and see people I'd not heard of for a while mucking in to make something of RS. They clearly relish the challenge. In some ways we're almost all equal again and MSTS hasn't tested members in the same way for years. No shortage of stock and routes. Trainz is almost at it's optimum but there's not the variety of stock of the quality which took a long while to produce.

RS is keeping me busy and interested as I figure out how to make something with less choice. Attempting to keep up with those who've again begun to give us the ability to alter files is a job in itself

I could give up and throw it in the bin but I'd have regretted it with MSTS and Trainz had I done so.

I'd go so far to suggest that those pioneers now will be in pole position when RS takes off and if MSTS2 is released.

Default MSTS gave the UK about four activities for the S&C with one loco' and stock. That said I enjoyed the Flying Scotsman and steam loco's and even now will race from Carlisle to Settle and through the buffers to beat my own record

I whole-heartedly agree John, nice post .

steamnut44 wrote:Read through Member Reviews Topic. and see what bugs have been discovered. Also see the scores given by those that commented. Not exactly, good scores for something that should have been put right in the first place.

Scores by who?

Scores based upon what?

Quite simply, scores must be THE most pretentious exercise to make people feel themselves important, ever, based upon prejudice and meaningless to all but themselves and those that share the same prejudice.