KRS DISSAPOINTMENT! I AM STICKING WITH MSTS

[RSAdam]

Sorry about the name mistake Laurie. Fixed personally by me in every language. We will get this out in the patch.

[AdamsRadial]

RsDerek wrote

I've got my nice North Face jacket on in prepration.

That's an ominous image, the North face was not very kind to Mallory and Irvine

Out of curiosity, if you and RsAdam come across points while browsing these forums that strike you as possible issues RSDL should address, do you open issues yourselves to cover it, or do you have to wait until someone posts a report on your own forums?

[growler37]

Hi,i praised KRS on another thread,and somebody asked if i was a kuju employee!(i most certainly am not)
it really amazes me why why this has got to be so tribal,if you prefer another train sim,thats great,but before you dive in with critisim for KRS, take out all
the community addons from whatever sim, be it msts, or trainz,drive the default flying scotsman on the default s&c on msts then give an oppinion because
this is what we started with,your never going to get everything out of the box,look at flight sims, the community of plane and object builders have added
thousands of items to them,this is because most sims are in a constant state of evolution,things being added and improved upon, KRS is just the same.
Ah! i can here you say why should we be beta testers,well everytime you bootup your pc or laptop you are beta testing for microsoft!see the ammount of updates (bug fixes) are downloaded if you have windows updates enabled.
i am not trying to change anyones oppinion of KRS niether would i try, but drive the KRS black 5 at night in the snow on s&d and tell me it is not impressive.
please dont be afraid to give praise were its due.
of course derek is part of the community! surely anybody who posts here is part of the community.

kevin.

[RSderek]

Hi,
Both Adam and I read the forums here, however it is difficult to read every thread and post, do not rely on us finding your post in many of the rabbling threads on UKTS.
Issues mentioned on here sometimes make it to our bug database if we think it is a bug. So whoever said birds singing in winter is a bug did not make it in I'm sorry to say.

I suggest that if you want your issue to be formaly logged do so on the Official Rail Simulator forum.

Kevin, your post made our office a happy place this afternoon, thank you.
Now stop posting and get back to work writing those tutorial docs...


regards

Derek

[growler37]

Hi,
Both Adam and I read the forums here, however it is difficult to read every thread and post, do not rely on us finding your post in many of the rabbling threads on UKTS.
Issues mentioned on here sometimes make it to our bug database if we think it is a bug. So whoever said birds singing in winter is a bug did not make it in I'm sorry to say.

I suggest that if you want your issue to be formaly logged do so on the Official Rail Simulator forum.

Kevin, your post made our office a happy place this afternoon, thank you.
Now stop posting and get back to work writing those tutorial docs...


regards

Derek

Right away boss!

[stewart]

........Personaly I don't see why anyone has a go at people for defending RS, or vice versa. I think what the issue that people are getting caught up with is the covering of old ground.......

Derek

Hit the nail right on the head.

[Class50M15]

I bought KRS on its first day of release and was eager to get it installed, just to see what improvements there were, over the six year old MSTS.

After just over 2 weeks, to be honest, I am very dissapointed, with the product overall. 4 out of 10 Kuju could have done much much better than this bug ridden effort.

This simulator is so full of bugs, it should never have been released in this state. I think Kuju have rushed out this product, no doubt with the insistance of EA Games, to meet a certain deadline. What about the American Version? If America had got this version, with all its bugs, they wouldn't have been very pleased. I wouldn't mind betting that the American Version will have the patch included. Kuju are using the European Railsim Community to beta test this simulator. if you ask me, when they should have done it before release. I would have gladly waited another month to six weeks for a copy that was as near perfect, rather than what we have been given in this early release.

Why couldn't these new tools, that are coming in November, have been included in the DVD. I bet the American Version will have them and if the instructions for the new tools are as breif as the instructions that came with the sim, they won't be of much use to anyone

We have seen a few unofficial tweaks for KRS over the past few weeks, relating to cab view positions.
Even Matt has done a video, explaining how to change stock to be used on any route. Why couldn't this have been explaned in the instructions, which are about as much use as something scribbled on the back of a fag packet, especially to the novice.

The novice to rail simulating, has not been adressed at all. Ok for those that have had MSTS, because they know what to expect and how to understand how most things work. The instructions that come with KRS explain what certain things do, but NOT HOW TO DO IT! Not very instructive at all really.

Even the Program Folders are a bit confusing, not like MSTS, where everything speaks for itself, Routes (with names, not numbers as in KRS) Trainset & Consists in MSTS (which speak for themselves) instead of Assets, which eventually gets you to the Trains Folders after opening several file folders. This is okay for those that are familiar with going into the Programs Files, but what about the ordinary guy, who hasn't a clue about how to find where things are stored.
Sorry, but the Program File System for KRS could have been made much easier to look at, than it is. To delete a Route, you have to go into another folder and delete some of the text, not as simple as MSTS, where you just send the particular Route Folder to the Recycle Bin, or store it in another folder.

When the upgrade patch becomes available, to overcome all the reported bugs, it is going to be quite a long list. I have never known a new released game, to have had as many bugs as KRS has.

Let's just hope they get everything right with the patch.

I am that fed up with running the same scenarios, I have decided to uninstall KRS and put the DVD back in its case, until things are improved on.

I still have MSTS installed and always will have, despite its age and quirks, to me it is much better than KRS in a lot of areas. Decent looking rain, insted of the massive droplets showing in KRS and wipers that don't have any effect when running. The skies in MSTS are much more realistic than KRS skies, especially if you use Sky Conductor or Kosmos. AND the quality of some of the latest routes for MSTS are much much better to run on, Dorset Coast V4, Thames Mersey V4, Cannock Chase V5, to name but a few, than the default routes of KRS.

I'm afraid that MSTS still provides me with much more enjoyment for the present, whether this will be the case in twelve months time when KRS has improved, I can't say, but for the time being, I'm sticking with MSTS.

its people like you that put me off buying the game

you have to remember that krs only has the default stuff on it at the moment, as did msts when it was released. you were comparing krs to msts with all of the addons and downloads witch you have to get to improve msts, krs does not have any addons and is already quite good. e.g. the sky in krs wasnt as good as the sky in msts but then you said the sky in msts is better because you can get downloads for it, wereas you cant for krs.

[Easilyconfused]

its people like you that put me off buying the game

remember that advice is generally worth what you paid for it

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and within reasonable boundaries to post them here. Basing your buying decision on what you read on internet forums is a reasonable course of action but you have to remember that people may have reasons beyond what they state for not liking something (not that I am implying the person you quoted is in that category I hasten to add).

If you like the videos and screenshots then go ahead and buy it - your system specs appear up to it.

Personally - I swore I wouldn't buy it since it did not have the Severn Beach to Bristol branchline on the initial release so it must be a bunch of manure only fit for spreading on my garden

[bristolian]

<snip>

Personally - I swore I wouldn't buy it since it did not have the Severn Beach to Bristol branchline on the initial release so it must be a bunch of manure only fit for spreading on my garden

</snip>

Hello John,

What era would you like the Severn Beach Line set in?

Very Best Wishes,
Bob.

[johndibben]

Personaly I don't see why anyone has a go at people for defending RS, or vice versa.

To paraphrase the Bishop of somewhere ... We're trainsimmers .... it's what we do

(Wondering if I am now part of the community, or still an out cast)

Which one? We have plenty to choose from.

I'd start your own, then you can be the boss of it

[johndibben]

What era would you like the Severn Beach Line set in?

Very Best Wishes,
Bob.

Given the scenic splendour which is Avonmouth, I'd suggest the Paleolithic

[danielw2599]

I bought KRS on its first day of release and was eager to get it installed, just to see what improvements there were, over the six year old MSTS.

After just over 2 weeks, to be honest, I am very dissapointed, with the product overall. 4 out of 10 Kuju could have done much much better than this bug ridden effort.

This simulator is so full of bugs, it should never have been released in this state. I think Kuju have rushed out this product, no doubt with the insistance of EA Games, to meet a certain deadline. What about the American Version? If America had got this version, with all its bugs, they wouldn't have been very pleased. I wouldn't mind betting that the American Version will have the patch included. Kuju are using the European Railsim Community to beta test this simulator. if you ask me, when they should have done it before release. I would have gladly waited another month to six weeks for a copy that was as near perfect, rather than what we have been given in this early release.

Why couldn't these new tools, that are coming in November, have been included in the DVD. I bet the American Version will have them and if the instructions for the new tools are as breif as the instructions that came with the sim, they won't be of much use to anyone

We have seen a few unofficial tweaks for KRS over the past few weeks, relating to cab view positions.
Even Matt has done a video, explaining how to change stock to be used on any route. Why couldn't this have been explaned in the instructions, which are about as much use as something scribbled on the back of a fag packet, especially to the novice.

The novice to rail simulating, has not been adressed at all. Ok for those that have had MSTS, because they know what to expect and how to understand how most things work. The instructions that come with KRS explain what certain things do, but NOT HOW TO DO IT! Not very instructive at all really.

Even the Program Folders are a bit confusing, not like MSTS, where everything speaks for itself, Routes (with names, not numbers as in KRS) Trainset & Consists in MSTS (which speak for themselves) instead of Assets, which eventually gets you to the Trains Folders after opening several file folders. This is okay for those that are familiar with going into the Programs Files, but what about the ordinary guy, who hasn't a clue about how to find where things are stored.
Sorry, but the Program File System for KRS could have been made much easier to look at, than it is. To delete a Route, you have to go into another folder and delete some of the text, not as simple as MSTS, where you just send the particular Route Folder to the Recycle Bin, or store it in another folder.

When the upgrade patch becomes available, to overcome all the reported bugs, it is going to be quite a long list. I have never known a new released game, to have had as many bugs as KRS has.

Let's just hope they get everything right with the patch.

I am that fed up with running the same scenarios, I have decided to uninstall KRS and put the DVD back in its case, until things are improved on.

I still have MSTS installed and always will have, despite its age and quirks, to me it is much better than KRS in a lot of areas. Decent looking rain, insted of the massive droplets showing in KRS and wipers that don't have any effect when running. The skies in MSTS are much more realistic than KRS skies, especially if you use Sky Conductor or Kosmos. AND the quality of some of the latest routes for MSTS are much much better to run on, Dorset Coast V4, Thames Mersey V4, Cannock Chase V5, to name but a few, than the default routes of KRS.

I'm afraid that MSTS still provides me with much more enjoyment for the present, whether this will be the case in twelve months time when KRS has improved, I can't say, but for the time being, I'm sticking with MSTS.

its people like you that put me off buying the game

you have to remember that krs only has the default stuff on it at the moment, as did msts when it was released. you were comparing krs to msts with all of the addons and downloads witch you have to get to improve msts, krs does not have any addons and is already quite good. e.g. the sky in krs wasnt as good as the sky in msts but then you said the sky in msts is better because you can get downloads for it, wereas you cant for krs.

So have you actually bought and played the game then?

In general its not the default stuff thats the problem per sae, its the lack of stuff that was either present in MSTS (or to a poorer standard) when it was released or added 3-4 years after..ie, before KRS was even concieved or during its conception.

[AndiS]

(Wondering if I am now part of the community, or still an out cast)

Rant, and you become one with us.

And come on, you were never outcast, just working for a company with a currently problematic image.

I am still the grumbling customer inside somewhere, but at the same time I must admit that I would have been a happy beta-tester and would have paid the same £30 in December if you would not have rushed it out. So if in a few months I have a fixed and documented product, I can claim they picked me as a beta-tester, and I was one of the few thousand getting a pre-release version.

I must say that I enjoy fixing KRS signals much more than fixing MSTS physics, it simply has more touch of a hope into the future. I just hope that the tools/docu and the patch live up to our hopes, then things will steadily get off the ground, gaining momentum by the month.

And yes, the tribal moment is sad. It is certainly a very valid option to stay with MSTS or Trainz for a few month if you enjoy one of them and re-evaluate the situation then. My personal guess is that many are disappointed that the mechanics of capitalism and free market have once again not produced what we wished. But people are reluctant to say so and instead engage in fights about what Kuju should and could have done or not. It simply does not help anybody, it is sad, but we have to live with what we get in this world. Complaining to the company is a good idea. Complaining to each other about to much or too little complaint is not as good, IMHO.

[johndibben]

Rant, and you become one with us.

Kinda makes me want to be one of them

[jbilton]

its people like you that put me off buying the game

you have to remember that krs only has the default stuff on it at the moment, as did msts when it was released. you were comparing krs to msts with all of the addons and downloads witch you have to get to improve msts, krs does not have any addons and is already quite good. e.g. the sky in krs wasnt as good as the sky in msts but then you said the sky in msts is better because you can get downloads for it, wereas you cant for krs.

So have you actually bought and played the game then?

In general its not the default stuff thats the problem per sae, its the lack of stuff that was either present in MSTS (or to a poorer standard) when it was released or added 3-4 years after..ie, before KRS was even concieved or during its conception.

Hi
I think actually, that 'hits the nail on the head'.
However I'm not sure I can see this tribal idea.........its just a difference of opinions.
Whats causing the majority of postings is the pro-brigade insisting on posting in what are obviously negative threads....very strange behaviour.
I haven't seen too much the other way.
Now if your happy with KRS , I'm pleased for you......post to your hearts contents in pro threads..... but don't be surprised if you post in a negative thread, your views are challenged.
Cheers
Jon