KRS DISSAPOINTMENT! I AM STICKING WITH MSTS

[steamnut44]

well that depends what your definition of "minor" is and what you count as "playable".

It seems to me that because this is a new rail sim that has great potential, people are all to happy to brush over the issues that should have been fixed in the first place.[/quote]

Exactly!! You have hit the nail on the head! MSTS may have had a few minor issues when first released, but not as many as KRS.

[johndibben]

I whole-heartedly agree John, nice post .

Thanks

Someone needs to stick with MSTS though or there's a load of good stuff which is going to waste and so if they're happy, I'm happy and they won't need to post here will they .... unless they see RS as a threat?

[steamnut44]

Read through Member Reviews Topic. and see what bugs have been discovered. Also see the scores given by those that commented. Not exactly, good scores for something that should have been put right in the first place.

Scores by who?

Scores based upon what?

Quite simply, scores must be THE most pretentious exercise to make people feel themselves important, ever, based upon prejudice and meaningless to all but themselves and those that share the same prejudice.

So in essence you are saying that certain people who have given scores on this product are based on pejudice and are meaningless to all but themselves. Vern Moorehouse has given his verdict and I would hardly say that Vern is someone who dosen't know what he's talking about when it comes to Rail Simulators.

[lwaxl00]

Exactly!! You have hit the nail on the head! MSTS may have had a few minor issues when first released, but not as many as KRS.

I think you'll find there was more than just a few minor issues.

[EdgarCraggs]

A quick quote on the 6+ year old MSTS from Wikipedia

“The original version contained many bugs, for example the "front coupling bug", where the locomotive's front coupler would not work, the "white void bug", where the route scenery disappears, leaving a white void, and the "end-of-the-line bug", where the locomotive, if it crashes through the last buffers on the route, would fall into an empty void. There are also issues with the signaling and AI dispatching. However, through the work of people in the community, some of these bugs were either removed or avoided by applying "unofficial" patches to the program.[1]. The game is also somewhat unstable with a tendency to crash.”


I am looking forward to what can be done in KRS.

[johndibben]

well that depends what your definition of "minor" is and what you count as "playable".

It seems to me that because this is a new rail sim that has great potential, people are all to happy to brush over the issues that should have been fixed in the first place.

Exactly!! You have hit the nail on the head! MSTS may have had a few minor issues when first released, but not as many as KRS.

Two activities on one the US layout were impossible, one was about 10 minutes and the other playable.

The other US layout saw an activity where you had to stop at station which wasn't there! The others had you crawling along at 15 mph endlessly.

The front coupler issue put paid to one activity on the UK layout but the other three were playable even if strange.

The German layout had one activity going downhill all the way and three more bizarre activites of about 20 minutes.

The Japanese layout was guarrateed a crash through the buffers if reverse was used.

It was minutes of fun as realeased

[steve1023]

TBH I'm quite surprised that people are still posting all this stuff about how disappointed they are. Like Richard I've found no bugs that affect gameplay aside from signals and I'm having smooth running.

Yes we've had the countless posts about how bad the manual is, issues with signalling and yes it should'nt be released like that but seriously - going over the same ground time and time again is pointless.

It's here. It's got issues. There's not as many routes as MSTS......

Getting bored now.

Steve

[phat2003uk]

well that depends what your definition of "minor" is and what you count as "playable".

It seems to me that because this is a new rail sim that has great potential, people are all to happy to brush over the issues that should have been fixed in the first place.

Exactly!! You have hit the nail on the head! MSTS may have had a few minor issues when first released, but not as many as KRS.

Two activities on one the US layout were impossible, one was about 10 minutes and the other playable.

The other US layout saw an activity where you had to stop at station which wasn't there! The others had you crawling along at 15 mph endlessly.

The front coupler issue put paid to one activity on the UK layout but the other three were playable even if strange.

The German layout had one activity going downhill all the way and three more bizarre activites of about 20 minutes.

The Japanese layout was guarrateed a crash through the buffers if reverse was used.

It was minutes of fun as realeased

I agree, maybe played it for for 2 weeks at the most, then got bored and hoped my parents didn't notice that the £50 they'd spent on it for my birthday wasn't being used . Certainly got my money's worth over the past years though.

[johndibben]

Read through Member Reviews Topic. and see what bugs have been discovered. Also see the scores given by those that commented. Not exactly, good scores for something that should have been put right in the first place.

Scores by who?

Scores based upon what?

Quite simply, scores must be THE most pretentious exercise to make people feel themselves important, ever, based upon prejudice and meaningless to all but themselves and those that share the same prejudice.

So in essence you are saying that certain people who have given scores on this product are based on pejudice and are meaningless to all but themselves. Vern Moorehouse has given his verdict and I would hardly say that Vern is someone who dosen't know what he's talking about when it comes to Rail Simulators.

Yes.

As for Vern, he's tried more sims than most, favoured one more than another at different stages in their development, has a great deal of experience but at the end of the day he scored for that moment in time, might possibly change in the future and that goes for all those who believe you can set a figure on quality. It's absurd. It always has been and always will be. All but those who attempt it know it. Those who do don't wish to and believe they have influence can continue to do so but I sincerely hope no one takes any notice as MSTS would've been history and many people would've lost out on a great deal of enjoyment had they taken notice of anyone who gave an unbiased assessment of MSTS.

To miss that is to miss so much of what made MSTS what it is today.

[pepe008]

same here, i have read a lot in here, moaning old women. ok if you dont like the game dont play it, trade it in when MSTS 2 comes out. we are not putting a gun to your head saying you must play this game. yes there are some missing parts but the makers have said that they are working to fix it, moving office and getting ready for the USA release, thats a lot to be doing. if you could do all that and post endless replys in here about the bugs then you should send in your cv now!. i love train sims got them all but i also have 3 kids and a wife and work on the (real)railway. i love it. but i must say this, ITS JUST A GAME, THERE IS A REAL WORLD FULL OF REAL TRAINS AND ROUTES OUT THERE. in 3-4 years i know we will all be here talking about the new train sim, so give it a rest, go into the MSTS room. to all the people who like the game iam sure it will be sorted soon, give it time. good things come to those who wait.

[danielw2599]

same here, i have read a lot in here, moaning old women. ok if you dont like the game dont play it, trade it in when MSTS 2 comes out. we are not putting a gun to your head saying you must play this game. yes there are some missing parts but the makers have said that they are working to fix it, moving office and getting ready for the USA release, thats a lot to be doing. if you could do all that and post endless replys in here about the bugs then you should send in your cv now!. i love train sims got them all but i also have 3 kids and a wife and work on the (real)railway. i love it. but i must say this, ITS JUST A GAME, THERE IS A REAL WORLD FULL OF REAL TRAINS AND ROUTES OUT THERE. in 3-4 years i know we will all be here talking about the new train sim, so give it a rest, go into the MSTS room. to all the people who like the game iam sure it will be sorted soon, give it time. good things come to those who wait.

Yet another one of those mature posts with the underlying tone of "If you don't like it don't play it" or "If you think you can do better go ahead" At the end of the day, all of us who have paid for it are entitled to our opinion, whatever that opionion maybe!

There seems to be just as much "moaning" from some of you guys regarding the negative opinions as there is from the people who started the negatives threads in the first place.

[phat2003uk]

Only because we think it's important RS isn't abandoned.

[danielw2599]

Only because we think it's important RS isn't abandoned.

Show me where it has been suggested that KRS is abandoned. As far as I can see, no one has advocated such a thing. No one wan't KRS to fail and we can all see the potential and are merely commenting on the state it is currently in.

[Lad491]

Well Im not moaning, or not much anyway

I put RS at the moment very much in the same position as MSTS when it first came out. Then, much like others, msts did nothing for me after waiting ages for its arrival, and after playing it for a while I put it away until EB's LBE came out and inspired me to find out how to write activities.

RS will be the same. Ive installed it and have been pretty much uninspired by it. It isnt at all user friendly and its does have some bugs, as well as a fair bit missing from the wish list but not as much for me as others. At the moment as a Sim i think its little better than MSTS as it was 6 years ago, and nowhere near as good as it is now. Certainly I see nothing in it at all to make me go WOW and want to start creating scenarios. But who is to say what it will be like 6 years down the road.

So i'll take another look at it after the development tools come out to see if that changes my view at all, otherwise I'll look at it again next year sometime when some of the bugs have been fixed and some of the wish list have been met. Until then, for me, it remains a rather poor 4/10 score, but with the hope it may get better.

[pepe008]

same here, i have read a lot in here, moaning old women. ok if you dont like the game dont play it, trade it in when MSTS 2 comes out. we are not putting a gun to your head saying you must play this game. yes there are some missing parts but the makers have said that they are working to fix it, moving office and getting ready for the USA release, thats a lot to be doing. if you could do all that and post endless replys in here about the bugs then you should send in your cv now!. i love train sims got them all but i also have 3 kids and a wife and work on the (real)railway. i love it. but i must say this, ITS JUST A GAME, THERE IS A REAL WORLD FULL OF REAL TRAINS AND ROUTES OUT THERE. in 3-4 years i know we will all be here talking about the new train sim, so give it a rest, go into the MSTS room. to all the people who like the game iam sure it will be sorted soon, give it time. good things come to those who wait.

Yet another one of those mature posts with the underlying tone of "If you don't like it don't play it" or "If you think you can do better go ahead" At the end of the day, all of us who have paid for it are entitled to our opinion, whatever that opionion maybe!

There seems to be just as much "moaning" from some of you guys regarding the negative opinions as there is from the people who started the negatives threads in the first place.

the main point i was getting at, is its just a game, some of the people in here, that are here every day all day, need to see that it is just a game and need to get a life and to go out doors and not sit in there bedroom all day getting worked up over a pc game.