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For all I know, that was a Japanese project.
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stuartrayner wrote:
AndiS wrote:This guy exists. His name is Carsten Hölscher. His programme is called Zusi.
Can someone remind me, was Carsten the guy who wrote Railsim (NOT Rail Simulator)?
No, that was Jens Schubert.
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Got to agree with Ordan77, unless we invest in this product, there will be no likelihood of further development, let alone major bug fixes. I really believe, despite present deficiencies, RS has the makings of a good sim, the graphics and the smoothness of the track (I have read the criticisms of the track) are a pleasure to use but limited due to the lack of scenarios and the present inablity to create your own. I'm sure Microsoft will be reading all our comments - and will they be encourage to go ahead with MSTS2 or put off as happened before?

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Only another rail enthusiast is ever going to produce a proper train simulator.
The only way you’re going to get a “proper train simulator” is with input from people who actually have real railroad experience. If you rely on just railroad enthusiasts alone all you’re going to get is just another choo-choo game.
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AndiS wrote: And if you love BVE4 (or Zusi2, for that matter), you never were likely to love KRS anyway, it is a different segment of the genre.
They (Kuju) made it sound like KRS was going to be the best train simulator ever. I can't believe it took them over 2 years to produce this rubbish. I'm glad I didn't waste any money upgrading my system for it.
jbilton wrote:If you don't buy it....I'll 'send the boys round to break your fingers'............there has that convinced you.... :lol:

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eventually after all the service packs come out and the community starts creating routes and scenarios we are going to have ourselve a pretty decent game but its almost like they just thought.... oh we wont bother beta testing... we'll just release it to the community and let them test it for us... etc, i want to love it! but i havent played it since saturday and i really dont want to waste my time! i wish there was just a little something to keep me hooked, but there isnt
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djt01 wrote: ..
The only way you’re going to get a “proper train simulator” is with input from people who actually have real railroad experience. If you rely on just railroad enthusiasts alone all you’re going to get is just another choo-choo game.
Rubbish, do you really believe the boffins at Godalming would have taken notice of real railway people, any more than they did of those that were consulted?

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Rubbish, do you really believe the boffins at Godalming would have taken notice of real railway people, any more than they did of those that were consulted?
John,

Sorry, but you’ll have to explain to me who the “boffins at Godalming” are so I can respond.
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DCBickersteth wrote:Got to agree with Ordan77, unless we invest in this product, there will be no likelihood of further development, let alone major bug fixes. I really believe, despite present deficiencies, RS has the makings of a good sim, the graphics and the smoothness of the track (I have read the criticisms of the track) are a pleasure to use but limited due to the lack of scenarios and the present inablity to create your own. I'm sure Microsoft will be reading all our comments - and will they be encourage to go ahead with MSTS2 or put off as happened before?

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The track effect is not smooth. If you sit in the cab it zigzags towards you like catenary. If you go outside the loco and whatever its hauling look like one joined sprite oscillating (hunting) sideways with the wheels coming off the railhead.
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Perhaps boffins was the wrong word, how about whizz-kids?

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DCBickersteth wrote:Got to agree with Ordan77, unless we invest in this product, there will be no likelihood of further development, let alone major bug fixes.
Problem is, after seeing how RSDL approach support, I'm not convinced I agree with myself any more! The attitude towards the major issues with the signalling system has thus far been one of "It's not what 'the masses' want, so it can't possibly be important". Most other issues are answered with the stock "Not a bug", "It's in the FAQ" and "We know but won't say if or when we'll fix it" responses. Only one of which is helpful, and then only if you happen to have Microsoft Word installed (which, for the record, not everyone has - yes, OpenOffice opens the document, but the formatting is screwed - I'd suggest that they invest in downloading the free PDFCreator, but would probably be accused of criticising them again!).
DCBickersteth wrote:I really believe, despite present deficiencies, RS has the makings of a good sim, the graphics and the smoothness of the track (I have read the criticisms of the track) are a pleasure to use but limited due to the lack of scenarios and the present inablity to create your own. I'm sure Microsoft will be reading all our comments - and will they be encourage to go ahead with MSTS2 or put off as happened before?
Yes, I do still absolutely and truly believe that Rail Simulator the product has massive potential. However, unless Rail Simulator Developments Ltd can start confirming which issues are on the priority list to receive patches, which will be patched later and which they will never patch, I also absolutely believe that the massive initial momentum behind RS will tail off, and will be very hard to regenerate later.

In all fairness to RSDL, they have had a hard time from many angles in the initial week - but now support has calmed down to mostly items already answered in the FAQ, or more serious issues which only affect a very small number of users, it is surely now time to begin being more open about future planned fixes and patches.
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I am disturbed at all the negative press this game has received. There are imperfections yes but these are easily rectifiable. In terms of realism, graphics and the overall experience of a simulation mimicking the real thing, this game is a gem! I have been using all the other serious sims for years (MSTS and BVE4) and I have no hesitation in saying RS is going to blow them all clean away.
Buy this game for the cab experience alone, photoreal, interactive 3D cabs with 360 degree view and zoom!! fantastic. For me simulation is all about feeling like you are in the driving seat and for that alone I give RS 10/10.
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ordan77 wrote: Yes, I do still absolutely and truly believe that Rail Simulator the product has massive potential. However, unless Rail Simulator Developments Ltd can start confirming which issues are on the priority list to receive patches, which will be patched later and which they will never patch, I also absolutely believe that the massive initial momentum behind RS will tail off, and will be very hard to regenerate later.

In all fairness to RSDL, they have had a hard time from many angles in the initial week - but now support has calmed down to mostly items already answered in the FAQ, or more serious issues which only affect a very small number of users, it is surely now time to begin being more open about future planned fixes and patches.
Hi
I think this is an excellent point.
The one thing that worries me is who are RDSL, that is to say what is their financial backing.
Because if KUJU with EA backing can only produce the game we have been delivered, after 28 months of development.
What chance have a couple of guys, no matter how dedicated they are.
When does the financial plug get pulled ?
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