Had enough

[phat2003uk]

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All to do with content I guess. MSTS 2 may be the [Moderator Comment: ashgray - unacceptable language]but if it has no UK routes, it can be as it likes but it still won't overly intrerest me.

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[jbilton]

All to do with content I guess. MSTS 2 may be the dog's but if it has no UK routes, it can be as it likes but it still won't overly intrerest me.

I think they have said it will have world routes.........and some 'European' stock.

Cheers
Jon

As a PS.........
Don't think you can't be negative, or positive about something that doesn't exist.
I'm personally not disappointed by KRS.
However its been like meeting their film star/pop idol,which is nearly always a bad move......for some members (the ones that didn't believe my posts).
Now where's Captain Bazza.............."I told you so"...........

[dikkidee]

Decided to give KRS another go today - sorry but it is just a game and I really cannot gather any enthusiasm for it. To be honest I think it is just rubbish I might as well go and borrow one of my son's shoot them up games!!! ++IT WAS PROMISED++ THAT MSTS ROUTES AND STOCK WOULD BE COMPATIBLE with Rail Simulator when KRS was announced that is the reason I placed my pre-order for it over 14 months ago and probably another reason why I am disappointed with it. I thought I might put it on Ebay but I have had a look and there is over two pages of second hand copies of Rail Simulator on there - maybe this also speaks volumes.

Regards, Dick.

[lateagain]

"I told you so"

Ain't that always the hollowest of victories though Jon? If half as much time was spent listening to arguments rather than shouting them down or attacking those with opposing views we'd hardly ever get to use it

I thought I might put it on Ebay but I have had a look and there is over two pages of second hand copies of Rail Simulator on there - maybe this also speaks volumes.

Act in haste, repent at leisure? eh Dick?
Actually despite my pessimism and the fact that I haven't bought it I would at least wait to see what the tools bring. The EULAs sound like the ultimate nail in the coffin unless they're misreported . As I once explained to a colleague who challenged my pessimism. Pessimist are never dissapointed. Occasionally when we're proved wrong we're delighted beyond the optomists wildest dreams .....I'm not putting any money on this horse though ....unless it's form shows some remarkable improvement.

[KlausM]

++IT WAS PROMISED++ THAT MSTS ROUTES AND STOCK WOULD BE COMPATIBLE with Rail Simulator when KRS was announced that is the reason I placed my pre-order for it over 14 months ago and probably another reason why I am disappointed with it.

I have been intensively watching the development for more than two years now, and I have never read a statement from Kuju saying so. On the contrary, they mentioned several times that it won't be compatible. This needs to be said, despite the fact that I am rather unhappy with the delivered product.

Klaus

[AndyM77]

++IT WAS PROMISED++ THAT MSTS ROUTES AND STOCK WOULD BE COMPATIBLE with Rail Simulator when KRS was announced that is the reason I placed my pre-order for it over 14 months ago and probably another reason why I am disappointed with it.

As with KlausM, it was always denied that MSTS stock, routes, etc would not be compatable with KRS. Even MSTS2 will NOT support MSTS rolling stock, routes, etc...

[tcorken]

In fact, it's never a good idea to maintain compatibility in the long run if you want real progress. Just look at Trainz old and tired jet2 engine as it huffs and puffs its way up to yet another release date

[johndibben]

Another case of if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes accepted as the truth. That said I've not read every word written on KRS as I've a life

It's always MSTS isn't it? Even TMTS was thought of as MSTS1.5 as it promised compatibility. MSTS good, Trainz and KRS bad. What a sad state to get into? Nestfilms asked the question why? That there is bias is undeniable and all can read it. Disappointment with KRS is real enough now though as it's been released. No one predicted the actual bugs. The concentration was upon RDSL not being chummy enough, licensing for payware and advertising. In other words, politics. The world of railways in a box sounds brilliant but is there to be default routes and content from all 5 continents and major countries within those continents? Possible, but one huge package. Will it be split up into regions? What does the slogan really mean? No one knows. I'd suggest going back to MSTS, Trainz or sticking with KRS but preferably more than one until they actually explain it, yet alone produce it and explain what it would mean for the UK. Last time it was one route, one playable loco, a few coaches and not a single wagon. Those on here bailed them out and made MSTS what it is today. They may be able to do the same again with KRS? At least it's something to work on and it appears even the US is doing so as opposed to moaning.

[KlausM]

I am not quite sure whether my English is good enough to understand who you are bashing. At the moment, my problem with RS is less the number of bugs, but more the impression that on the one hand, Kuju wasted a lot of development time to implement funny things like flying birds, working wipers, heat haze and IGA billboards (which have fortunately been eliminated except the actual billboard objects which haven't been removed from the layouts), but on the other hand omitted to develop a sophisticated signalling system, superelevated tracks (which are desperately missed in the winding German route), functional level crossings and other prototypical features. I have some concerns that it is possible to remove the latter problems by a few weeks of bug hunting. We have seen that Trainz is haunted by the early conceptual problems, and Auran never managed to solve these. Maybe I err, and the problems are only skin-deep. I hope that with the release of the development tools, we will get a little more insight what the RS is able to do and what it isn't. Until then, I will say my observations and opinions openly, but I won't call it doomed.

Klaus

[pmorgancym]

Anyone worried that with MSTS-X that the bar to be "the best train sim" has been set painfully low by EARS?

[jbilton]

No one predicted the actual bugs. The concentration was upon RDSL not being chummy enough, licensing for payware and advertising. In other words, politics.

They might have done,if anyone had been allowed to Beta test.
I certainly posted my personal reservations, as little clues sneeked out.
Still as you point out John its here now, in whatever condition, and its best to try to sort it out.
The only problem I can see is, if members spend months finding solutions only for Kuju to alter the game sometime in the future.
Cheers
Jon

[117305]

About the only good part of this peace of software, was spotting what might be ivo`s bentley parked up at chilcompton, in almost the same spot as in one of ivos many s&djr pictures.
Oh yes is it just me or is evercreech jct south box missing from the station..

[jbilton]

Anyone worried that with MSTS-X that the bar to be "the best train sim" has been set painfully low by EARS?

No, because we have MSTS1 (Bin) as a benchmark.
Cheers
Jon

[salopiangrowler]

You've only gotta look at the Flight Simulator X to see the kind of thing MSTS X might develope itself to be.

Look at EARS, and i see Trainz on a ever so slightly improved scale. look at the trackwork once you get so far up in the air and look down. It Scream's Auran Trainz Simulator.

Ok EARS (KRS) looks detailed and so and so forth but its too gamey to me theres no simulator feel to it. and the Load screens for the route remind me of Densha Go or what ever its called for the Playstation, in fact i was expecting random japanesse music or commentry looking at the route loading screen, Shame the quality didnt show.

With the style of Simulators in the world albiet Japanesse, Chinesse, whatever!!!, MSTS X is the next step.... im afraid KUJU have let me down. I aint buying it, i want simulation aswell as game play.

[trainmad]

Well, if you've not bought it how can KUJU have 'let you down?'