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In the interest of balance perhaps a thread on the Scots should be started, especially as they may soon return to independence!

(By the way if THAT referendum goes the SNP way will UK Train Sim have to reconsider its name?)

I have some Scottish lineage if you go back far enough on my mother's side - Scott from the Borders!

Alec

Now there is some lovely countryside up in them there Highlands

And some great songs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA6cnXFiE6I

Now that was a great Scotland side - David Sole, Finlay Calder, John Jeffrey, Sean Lineen, the Hastings brothers...

I'll bet the Corries never dreamt that their song would achieve such recognition. RIP Roy Williamson.

Ash

Some fantastic whisky!

davejc64 wrote:Some fantastic whisky!

Oh yes Amber Nectar


Regards


John

Scott from the Borders!

Rievers?

Cheers Bazza

Hi

I'm with the Emperor Hadrian ......

Cheers
Jon

jbilton wrote:Hi

I'm with the Emperor Hadrian ......

Cheers
Jon

maybe you can get a job building a new 1

regards

ken

Had a great week on Skye - Talisker Distillery a great afternoon out (if you can get down the roads )

Edinburgh a problem though - never seem to get more than 5 mins away from Waverley

http://halfwayhouse-edinburgh.com/

I was born whilst on "holiday" in England, raised in Scotland, moved back to England at 12 yrs old.

There is so much cross-over between the 2 countries how on earth is independence going to work practically? Millions of Scots live and work in England, millions of English live and work in Scotland. So many questions:

If you're English but have live and work in Scotland will you get free prescriptions and free access to Scottish medical facilities?
If you're a Scottish woman but married to an Englishman living in England, will you be forced to have a Scottish passport and be bound by Scottish rules?
Will people have a choice what nationality they assume or will it be based solely on place of birth?
Will there be 'greencards' to accomodate mixed relationships?
If you're born of one Scottish and one English parent and reside in one or the other, what will you be?
If you're Scottish but in the Royal Navy / Royal Air Force will you be sacked?
How will combined military assets be divided up?

jimmyshand wrote:I was born whilst on "holiday" in England, raised in Scotland, moved back to England at 12 yrs old.

There is so much cross-over between the 2 countries how on earth is independence going to work practically? Millions of Scots live and work in England, millions of English live and work in Scotland. So many questions:

If you're English but have live and work in Scotland will you get free prescriptions and free access to Scottish medical facilities?
If you're a Scottish woman but married to an Englishman living in England, will you be forced to have a Scottish passport and be bound by Scottish rules?
Will people have a choice what nationality they assume or will it be based solely on place of birth?
Will there be 'greencards' to accomodate mixed relationships?
If you're born of one Scottish and one English parent and reside in one or the other, what will you be?
If you're Scottish but in the Royal Navy / Royal Air Force will you be sacked?
How will combined military assets be divided up?

Er . . . it's good here in'it!

Perhaps we could ask Czechoslovakia for advice when they split into two, or even Yugoslavia when they separated . . . . well perhaps not the latter ?

Alec

jimmyshand wrote:I was born whilst on "holiday" in England, raised in Scotland, moved back to England at 12 yrs old.

There is so much cross-over between the 2 countries how on earth is independence going to work practically? Millions of Scots live and work in England, millions of English live and work in Scotland. So many questions:

If you're English but have live and work in Scotland will you get free prescriptions and free access to Scottish medical facilities?
If you're a Scottish woman but married to an Englishman living in England, will you be forced to have a Scottish passport and be bound by Scottish rules?
Will people have a choice what nationality they assume or will it be based solely on place of birth?
Will there be 'greencards' to accomodate mixed relationships?
If you're born of one Scottish and one English parent and reside in one or the other, what will you be?
If you're Scottish but in the Royal Navy / Royal Air Force will you be sacked?
How will combined military assets be divided up?

Hi Jimmy, or as my college flat mate from Motherwell would have said "See you Jimmy",

Amongst the current grandstanding by the SNP you'd think that everyone North of the border was donning rough kilts, painting their faces blue and sharpening their sabres for a push South.

.....however.....

Yesterday Afternoon I caught part of a debate in the Commons and saw just enough to realise that the opinions voiced by three Scottish MP's that I got to watch meant that the SNP is actually FAR from the opinion of every Scot. In fact there was some very blunt criticism of some of their stances. Of course that was in Westminster ...and that raises another issue? Two parliaments?

As I mentioned on the Welsh thread the media feeds us endless footage on the news of "grandstanding" self serving politicians. Did you see any serious economic analysis of the implications of further devolution? Have you seen any serious discussion as to what levels devolution might be taken, how this would be funded, who'd pay for it in the long run? The media seems to shy from these issues, but then hard facts aren’t sexy and don’t raise circulation or viewing figures.

The trouble is the whole issue seems to being reported on the level of an England v Scotland game and any detailed analysis of how this would work on any level seems to be lost in the squabble of what question would be asked in a referendum.

IMHO any thinking person EITHER side of the border should be demanding to know the detail of how such a split could work and the full implications of the cost BEFORE any referendum and that referendum should include all parts of the Union, because if it ever happens there will be a cost to ALL of us.

Not holding my breath though! just look at the drivel we got through our letter boxes for the last referendum?!

Geoff.

PS I think what I saw was part of the Defence Debate? Check it out on BBC Parliament on i-player if you're interested.

With the The English, Welsh & this thread, would I need to "duck for cover" if I said that they should make them all the one country, and call it Britain, and maybe just have them as some sort of state, or area?

NewcastleFlyer wrote:With the The English, Welsh & this thread, would I need to "duck for cover" if I said that they should make them all the one country, and call it Britain, and maybe just have them as some sort of state, or area?

Well you shouldn't have to. That was the point of devolution in the first place but that was met with very different reactions from Wales and Scotland and there are still many discrepancies that many would see as a lack of fairness in that so far. The SNP has a majority in the Scottish Parliament but not in the Westminster one.
They also assume, and time will tell, that all who voted for them will also vote for independance. The bookies don't agree with their optomism

This explains the history : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_Westminster_MPs

Of course we can, regardless of nationality argue the toss over constituency boundaries till the cows come home .

Geoff