What are the Police for?

[dikkidee]

Who pays their wages, the people, not the government, the government has no money, the only
money the government has, is our money, the PEOPLES MONEY. the sooner the police realise this
the sooner they wil start working for the people who actually pay their wages.

Why is it people think that it is just the individual who pays for the Police. There is a lot of internal and private investment that goes into financing the police service, also, and more importantly, every Police Officer in this land pays his or her income tax, community charge etc etc, the same as everybody else. The individual personal annual contribution to the Police Service at todays rate is 48p per person, If Crimpsal is upset by paying that amount I will gladly give his share back.

No doubt it is the same amount for teachers and other public servants, not bad value for money really, eh?

Mind you we could always do away with the Police if people are not sure what they do, do not want them, think they could do better themselves - after all the very bedrock of the British Police Service is "Policing by Consent" (If you are not sure about this look it up)

Result: Pure, total and utter anarchy - yee ha bring it on!!

Regards, Dikkidee.

[gswindale]

The individual personal annual contribution to the Police Service at todays rate is 48p per person.

How is that calculated? As according to the most recent council tax leaflet I've got,

The cost of services provided by the Thames Valley Police Authority which are contained in a separate leaflet enclosed with your bill (£154.30 for Band D).

Now assuming a family of 4 in a band D property (reasonable), that works out at nearly £40 per person per year rather than 48p or am I missing something?

[lateagain]

[quote="gswindale.........that works out at nearly £40 per person per year rather than 48p or am I missing something?[/quote]
Spin?

Geoff

[jbilton]

Hi

I think what is being said, in a roundabout fashion, is the control of the Police Service.
Rather than a criticism of individual officers, who do a difficult job.
Most of whom do a good job.Although there are always those that relish in being able to say 'sorry its just the system'.
Unfortunately the published green paper a couple of years back,which suggested reform, was rejected by all sides.
I questioned at local level ATT, why UNISON rejected the paper at National level.
I personally thought it would have brought the service into the 21st century.
I fully support the American federal system model.

As to monies .... it was a mistake to separate the Police service a few years back.
Everyone pays about the same for the Fire Service... but you can't see it.... because its in the total.
It also adds to the cost of running the service, as the Police then have to have all their own accountants etc.

Certainly Lincolnshire fell foul a couple of years back ..... and wasted £625,000 having to just re-issue bills.

I should just add , on a personal level, the standard of service received by my family has been abysmal.
If it was possible, I would be seeking a refund ...


Cheers
Jon

[CaptainBazza]

Get a grip, without the UK police you'd only have American cop shows.

Cheers Bazza

[jbilton]

Get a grip, without the UK police you'd only have American cop shows.

Cheers Bazza

Well I do like Sherlock Holmes, Poirot, and Cadfael ..... does that count.

Cheers
Jon

[buffy500]

The individual personal annual contribution to the Police Service at todays rate is 48p per person.

How is that calculated? As according to the most recent council tax leaflet I've got,

The cost of services provided by the Thames Valley Police Authority which are contained in a separate leaflet enclosed with your bill (£154.30 for Band D).

Now assuming a family of 4 in a band D property (reasonable), that works out at nearly £40 per person per year rather than 48p or am I missing something?

Oh you mean the totally unreasonable 10.5p a day ?

Clearly, most of the police's regular "customers" as we "like" to call them, pay nothing because they don't actually pay for their own council tax, and I suspect that if you worked it out, they are costing us more than the police and contributing a lot less to the country.

[Crimpsal]

f Crimpsal is upset by paying that amount I will gladly give his share back.

Regards, Dikkidee.

Thank you so much for the offer, I will gladly take it.
Please email me your address & I will send you the bill for that portion of my next
council tax bill when it arrives.

Cheers pal, glad you can spare me the cash.

[gswindale]

The individual personal annual contribution to the Police Service at todays rate is 48p per person.

How is that calculated? As according to the most recent council tax leaflet I've got,

The cost of services provided by the Thames Valley Police Authority which are contained in a separate leaflet enclosed with your bill (£154.30 for Band D).

Now assuming a family of 4 in a band D property (reasonable), that works out at nearly £40 per person per year rather than 48p or am I missing something?

Oh you mean the totally unreasonable 10.5p a day ?

Clearly, most of the police's regular "customers" as we "like" to call them, pay nothing because they don't actually pay for their own council tax, and I suspect that if you worked it out, they are costing us more than the police and contributing a lot less to the country.

Never said anything was unreasonable - I was just querying where Dikkidee got his figures from - primarily as I look at my Council Tax bill to see where my money is being spent and thought 48p per person per year seemed a little bit on the light side compared to my bill.

Can we not have something in place whereby your "customers" have their contributions deducted at source - including all legal aid fees they might try claiming?

[rogermatthews]

[quoteI was just querying where Dikkidee got his figures from][/quote]

I can't make it 48p per person - but there are lies, damned lies and statistics

According to the Office for National Statistics, the cost of Protection this year is projected as approx £35bn, and with a population of 62m, that works out as £565 per person. If you work it out as per working person, the figure is double, but then most of the population do contribute in some form of tax - VAT in most cases.

Of course, £35bn Protection includes the whole judiary and other services; the police force itself is about half that.

Personally, I don't resent this spending on our police, and would be happy to see more spent - at the expense of many other things I could mention!

[dikkidee]

Hi Chaps,

How about this one for a CARP CALL = ITV meridian news tonight (Fri) it is on the website. Woman from Chatham Kent rings up on the 999 saying that she has "Just gone outside for a fag and my snowman has been stolen" Doh...............

Regards,

Dikkidee, just off to buy a 48p postal order.....

[rogermatthews]

Woman from Chatham Kent rings up on the 999 saying that she has "Just gone outside for a fag and my snowman has been stolen"

I thought you were joking - but I've just heard the recording of the call on the news!

[lateagain]

Hi Chaps,

How about this one for a CARP CALL = ITV meridian news tonight (Fri) it is on the website. Woman from Chatham Kent rings up on the 999 saying that she has "Just gone outside for a fag and my snowman has been stolen" Doh...............

Regards,

Dikkidee, just off to buy a 48p postal order.....

Well I'd have been straight there!

Nicked her...... Charged her with wasting police time..... Oh! ...............Wait a moment I've just blown about £500 quid in man hour costs haven't I

Still the fine would have helped .......Ahhh ....but that doen't include the £5000 worth of court time/man hr costs/etc.etc.

Prison then! Errrr No. That costs shed loads more!!!

AH HA!!! The DEATH PENALTY!!!!

NOW THEN! CALM DOWN!!! I'm merely looking to history here for a solution. Google will find you truly wonderful real records (some actual copies of the real transcripts) of actual court transcripts from that era. A fascinating read. Although the Death Penalty was in place AND used for offences that would frighten the life out of todays vandals ....it was seldom actually carried out. Why?

Well the NEXT best idea....

Transportation!!! ......that was a good idea wasn't it? But where could we send them now?

Now who (apart from the French ) don't we like ....and who'd actually have 'em.......?

Back at square one aren't we?

I don't know why thw Ozzies are so sensative about that part of their history? After all their ancestors (that's some of them) actually landed on their feet in may ways didn't they?

As for the caller? Well the smoking is going to cost us too!

"ARMED POLICE ...STAND STILL!"....

I'll just go and take one of me tablets now.....

Geoff

BTW for those humorously challenged.... THIS WAS A JOKE

[dikkidee]

Nice one Geoff

[jbilton]

Hi
People will steal anything these days .... the country is lawless.
I like Geoff's idea of transportation ..... only bring it into the 21st century.
Move criminals into certain areas, tag them so they can't leave.
Every big city could have one.
On a lighter note .... I've seen some superb snowmen this week on my walks.

Cheers
Jon