Classes 201 to 207 - Livery Details

[rufuskins]

I am looking for a reference book or web site that gives reasonable details for the range of liveries to the above.

I have perused the Wikipedia data, and looked at SEMG and Southern Electric web sites, but I am still not very clear of what and when.

Therefore any help, advice, etc. would be most welcome.

Ruf

[chriscooper]

All were originally delivered in Green, AFAIK mostly gaining or originally with yellow "whiskers" on the fronts. They were later painted into BR blue with yellow ends. Most were withdrawn during this time, I'm sure only the 205s and 207s survived to get NSE livery. At privatisation, they then were painted into Connex livery, which they remained in until withdrawal.

[rufuskins]

All were originally delivered in Green, AFAIK mostly gaining or originally with yellow "whiskers" on the fronts. They were later painted into BR blue with yellow ends. Most were withdrawn during this time, I'm sure only the 205s and 207s survived to get NSE livery. At privatisation, they then were painted into Connex livery, which they remained in until withdrawal.

Many thanks for the info.

Now for another question:

1. Did any of the green liveried versions carry the small yellow rectangle, and inverted bkack triangle on front DMBS?

Ruf

[yerkes]

1125 on the Mid-Hants has this livery. See http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3653/358 ... 2b8545.jpg

1118 on the Pontypool and Blaenavon likewise: http://www.pontypool-and-blaenavon.co.u ... DEMUs.html

Any help?

[phill70]

It was simply to inform the GPO staff, (and us) which end the guards bit was.

[welshdave]

Hi,

Class 201-203 - these were built (from 1957) in all-over green, without yellow ends (or at least the first few sets were anyway); they then gained small yellow ends, followed by rail blue, then finally blue-grey. Some units gained a "1066 route" sticker. As all were withdrawn by 1986, they never made it into NSE or even LSE Jaffa Cake livery.
Class 204 - this was the original classification for the two-car "Hampshire" units, the three-car versions being classified as Class 205. It was also later used for a fleet of 4 units which were augmented to 3-car status by inserting a former EPB driving trailer, and rendering the driving controls inoperable. They were a 205 in all but numbering. They gained blue, and later blue-grey, but I'm not sure if they lasted long enough to get NSE livery - I think I've seen a photo in a book somewhere, but I'm not sure.
Class 205 - I think they had the yellow rectangle with black triangle while in green livery, but some units definitely gained an early version of this (to denote which end the guards compartment was in), in the shape of an orange "V" (but not like the DMU style "whiskers"). I also think a few units were painted in the early "chromatic blue", but again, not sure. Usual liveries - green (no yellow), green (with yellow panels), blue, blue grey, NSE & Connex white and yellow.
Class 206 - the unusual Tadpole sets - most of these were disbanded in blue livery, and were reformed into Hastings sets, but unit 1206 made it into blue-grey livery.
Class 207 - same liveries as Class 205, but as they were introduced from 1962 onwards, they missed out on the all-green livery.

If you can find a copy, the "Fleet Survey 9: 2nd Generation DMUs & DEMUs" (Ian Allan) has some details on liveries.

Regards,

Dave Randles

[rufuskins]

Once again many thanks for the extremely useful information, which will allow me to develope my trainsets for DEMU classes - including efforts at repainting.

Ruf

[yerkes]

See also http://www.daveh.org.uk/demu/205history.html (and other pages on that site) - it has some useful details about dates of application of various liveries, as well as some other very interesting stuff.

[rufuskins]

More good stuff - thanks.

Ruf

[rufuskins]

Next question.

Does anyone know where I can view a photo on line of a TRUB [S60750 to S60756] used in the Class 203?

Ruf

[rufuskins]

Further to all my requests for "gen" on the SR DEMUs, I am looking to buy a second hand copy - if available at a reasonable price - of the relevant BR Fleet Survey No 9 (includes DEMUs).

Can anybody say whether it is worth getting?

I hope to get Michael Welch's Southern DEMUs for my birthday.

Ruf

[bgstrowger]

I have both books and they're both good for different reasons. Michael Welch's book is good for colour illustrations, livery details and interiors, whereas the BR Fleet Survey is useful for technical information.

You should be able to pick up a copy of the BR Fleet Survey 9 from any good secondhand book website, I personally use http://www.abebooks.co.uk

[rufuskins]

Thanks for the heads up. I shall look at that site - I'm wondering whether it isn't tied into Amazon?

Ruf

[yerkes]

Thanks for the heads up. I shall look at that site - I'm wondering whether it isn't tied into Amazon?

I think it has a 'shop window' in Amazon's Marketplace (i.e. for selling used and new products).