Driving Long Distance Trains

[GlennMitchell]

The Desiros have their own little boxes for the guard to sit in.

Glenn

[salopiangrowler]

The buffet on a 390 is in the standard class area.

Bah, its near enough the middle of the train. long walk if you ask me specially when the trains packed

Anyway as for the nuke's i havent followed them for a while so last time i saw the dungoness one it had a brakevan. Like i say i stand corrected.

A cab pass is the Railway Workers pass it covers everything from PTS to what the drivers and guards are passed out on.

One pass for work, One pass for out of hours leisure travel.

[danielw2599]

A cab pass is the Railway Workers pass it covers everything from PTS to what the drivers and guards are passed out on.

One pass for work, One pass for out of hours leisure travel.

There are different types of cab passes depending on the requirements of the individual. Not all railway employees are issued with them as their duties do not require them to ride in the leading end. Any leisure passes that a TOC might issue are comepletly seperate from cab passes and are NOT to be used to travel in the leading cab on or off duty.

As allypally has already said, officially, guards are only permitted to ride in the leading cab under specfic circumstances....this does not include having a quick chat to the driver about football or what was on the box last night

[gswindale]

on a related note, on my way home tonight, the guard was banging on the door to the cab for a good few minutes before the driver opened it (at Winnersh) and was also doing this before the announcement came over the PIS for him to contact the driver!

[allypally]

The buffet on a 390 is in the standard class area.

Bah, its near enough the middle of the train. long walk if you ask me specially when the trains packed

Anyway as for the nuke's i havent followed them for a while so last time i saw the dungoness one it had a brakevan. Like i say i stand corrected.

A cab pass is the Railway Workers pass it covers everything from PTS to what the drivers and guards are passed out on.

One pass for work, One pass for out of hours leisure travel.

A railway drivers license is not a cab pass.

A cab pass is a piece of paper that has to be signed off by an authorised manager and will usually be specific about when and where it's valid. For people who are not safety critical employees travelling or who would not usually be in such a situation a driver manager may accompany them and the driver.

Drivers and guards passes will carry details of what they're permitted to do (for example 'Licensed to drive traction units of class 170/1 170/3 170/5 170/6').

Having one does not entitle you to ride in the driving cab of a train as and when you please.

The guard on trains without guards accomodation will generally travel in the rear cab - although TOCs have tried banning this in the past because of things like guards putting their feet up on the drivers desk and accidentally kicking the emergency brake on.

To quote the GERT8000 rulebook module TW1 on the matter:

Section 5 Travelling in Driving Cabs states:
You may only allow the following personnel to travel in a driving
cab:
• Another driver in the course of his duties.
• A guard or shunter when authorised in connection with his
duties.
• A rolling stock technician in connection with his duties.
• A pilotman.
• A person authorised by the local Network Rail area operations
manager when carrying out duties in connection with an
emergency.
• A person authorised by the PICOP or Engineering Supervisor
to give instructions regarding the movement of your train in a
possession.
• The holder of a driving cab pass.
You must make sure that at any one time there are no more than
four people (including yourself) in the cab from which you are
driving the train. However, this does not apply if:
• you are authorised by a person holding a cab pass endorsed
AUTHORISED TO INSTRUCT OR ASSESS, and
• that person is in the driving cab when the circumstances apply.


You must only travel in a driving cab of a train if:
• you are a member of traincrew travelling in the course of your
duties, but only when specially authorised
• the driver has asked you to travel in the leading cab in those
circumstances where specific authority is given in the rules
• you are a shunter carrying out shunting operations.
You must only travel in the driving cab of a train if you are
required to do so in connection with your duties.

[salopiangrowler]

Fair play.

Not everyone reads the Rule book.

Didnt expect a barney on Travelling up front with the driver, i just said its been done and still is done, wether or not Austhorised. I knew cab passes were paper Authorised by company as you cant get a footplate ride on the SVR without one, unless you really know the driver.

I know one who a DRS driver who got the sack for letting a Freightliner driver in the cab to take him down south somewhere, although the move was in accordance to the Freightliner drivers duties as he needed to get to the particular location and it was quicker than that of a Passenger journey, this was indeed still unauthorised as the only thing the Freightliner driver apparently had on him was the Work Pass, needless to say that particular DRS driver now works for Fastline as Instructor/Driver on 66's.

[JunGRail]

Actually you'd be suprised how many Guards there are round here on passenger duties. Alot of Guards do actually travel up front with the driver Between every other station on the Older sprinter (DMU's) on local service's to save walking the train twice, unless the driver didnt want the company

Not unless they want the sack they don't. The only time the guard is permitted to travel in the leading cab is when equipment such as the DSD is faulty or unless they're examining the line at the request of the signaller and only then in certain circumstances.

then id say being a guards alot lonelier and more boring over a long distance as the guard only does something at and immediatly after stations, yet they are still not allowed to listern to things like Music or have anything playing in the cab. I think the Mobile phone thing is completely banned in alot of trains now due to so much Saftey equipment such as, AWS, TPWS, OTMR, (and ATS between Reading and London) not to mention the Deadmans (foot pedal).

There's nothing stopping the guard reading the paper, reading a book or using a mobile telephone. Mobile phones are not banned on any trains at all as far as I know. Different companies have different policies on when drivers may use mobile phones.

iirc theres a gaurds compartment in eact end of the pendolino. The only freight service that has a Guard nowadays is a Nuclear Fuels train especially the Dungeness Train as it has to reverse over a long distance requiring a second person.

There is no guards compartment at either end of a 390. There is a train managers office situated in the buffet coach, whichever one that is.

Nuclear trains are no longer required to convey guards or barrier wagons.



Not much factual information there I'm afraid!

[JunGRail]

The buffet on a 390 is in the standard class area.

Bah, its near enough the middle of the train. long walk if you ask me specially when the trains packed

Anyway as for the nuke's i havent followed them for a while so last time i saw the dungoness one it had a brakevan. Like i say i stand corrected.

A cab pass is the Railway Workers pass it covers everything from PTS to what the drivers and guards are passed out on.

One pass for work, One pass for out of hours leisure travel.

A railway drivers license is not a cab pass.

A cab pass is a piece of paper that has to be signed off by an authorised manager and will usually be specific about when and where it's valid. For people who are not safety critical employees travelling or who would not usually be in such a situation a driver manager may accompany them and the driver.

Drivers and guards passes will carry details of what they're permitted to do (for example 'Licensed to drive traction units of class 170/1 170/3 170/5 170/6').

Having one does not entitle you to ride in the driving cab of a train as and when you please.

The guard on trains without guards accomodation will generally travel in the rear cab - although TOCs have tried banning this in the past because of things like guards putting their feet up on the drivers desk and accidentally kicking the emergency brake on.

To quote the GERT8000 rulebook module TW1 on the matter:

Section 5 Travelling in Driving Cabs states:
You may only allow the following personnel to travel in a driving
cab:
• Another driver in the course of his duties.
• A guard or shunter when authorised in connection with his
duties.
• A rolling stock technician in connection with his duties.
• A pilotman.
• A person authorised by the local Network Rail area operations
manager when carrying out duties in connection with an
emergency.
• A person authorised by the PICOP or Engineering Supervisor
to give instructions regarding the movement of your train in a
possession.
• The holder of a driving cab pass.
You must make sure that at any one time there are no more than
four people (including yourself) in the cab from which you are
driving the train. However, this does not apply if:
• you are authorised by a person holding a cab pass endorsed
AUTHORISED TO INSTRUCT OR ASSESS, and
• that person is in the driving cab when the circumstances apply.


You must only travel in a driving cab of a train if:
• you are a member of traincrew travelling in the course of your
duties, but only when specially authorised
• the driver has asked you to travel in the leading cab in those
circumstances where specific authority is given in the rules
• you are a shunter carrying out shunting operations.
You must only travel in the driving cab of a train if you are
required to do so in connection with your duties.

I was going to ask if its possible to ride in the front of a train and was wondering how do you go about it, you can't just wonder around you would need a reason and security clearance, for enthusiasts as we are after reading this it seems possible but still how would you go about it?

I wouldn't because well where would i be going, but generally just asking

[danielw2599]

Fair play.

Not everyone reads the Rule book.

Didnt expect a barney on Travelling up front with the driver, i just said its been done and still is done, wether or not Austhorised. I knew cab passes were paper Authorised by company as you cant get a footplate ride on the SVR without one, unless you really know the driver.

I know one who a DRS driver who got the sack for letting a Freightliner driver in the cab to take him down south somewhere, although the move was in accordance to the Freightliner drivers duties as he needed to get to the particular location and it was quicker than that of a Passenger journey, this was indeed still unauthorised as the only thing the Freightliner driver apparently had on him was the Work Pass, needless to say that particular DRS driver now works for Fastline as Instructor/Driver on 66's.

No ones having a "barney", just simply stating the regulations surrounding that topic.